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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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leckford · 28/06/2019 15:52

They sound bonkers, they don’t want to share the garden, they want to take it over. They seem to be using all the current buzz words - anxiety etc to intimidate you. Put up some trellis and plant honeysuckle etc. They won’t be able to get stressed then

PolkadotLollipop · 28/06/2019 15:54

I don’t agree with the ‘batshit’ stuff being thrown around here. If the garden is all open and Penelope & Samuel have a lot of glazing on the back of their house, I can see that they might feel like they are in a fish bowl if you entertain in the part of the garden closest to the house. They did agree to the single shared garden option rather than the split spaces but the idea of something and the reality of it can be very different.

Like I say, I’d go with the fence & lockable gate. Less stress on all sides and you can put as many decorative touches as you like in there without having to worry about offending her tastes.

Beesandcheese · 28/06/2019 15:55

Looking at the diagram they benefit hugely from not having a fence affecting light into their win does. It is in their interest to get used to your presence, but if fenced off it shouldn't be too inconvenient for you. Thankfully. You at least have all the aces.

Clutterbugsmum · 28/06/2019 15:55

Unfortunately Penelope's issue are not really your concern. From what have written it sounds like she wants to take over the whole garden as their own.

I would send a final E mail stating that due to the on going issues with you using your garden that the only way for both flats to enjoy the garden privately is to put a fence to completely separate them.

And I put up at least a 5ft fence panel although perferably with a foot of trellis on top, and a locking gate.

TransFannyUltrasound · 28/06/2019 15:56

FENCE!

By that I mean either:

Erect a physical boundary;

or

Say “en garde” and poke her eyes out* with your sword.

Problem solved.

*Don’t really poke her eyes out. Just use your sword to make threatening swishy noises.

Debenhamshandtowel · 28/06/2019 15:57

I would get a fence put up and lose the WhatsApp group.

HorridHenrysNits · 28/06/2019 15:58

Feeling like you're in a fishbowl is one thing, telling your neighbours you can't do laundry because they go in their garden is quite another.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 28/06/2019 15:58

I would fence the boundary.
I would so for 3/4 open panels (like this) so that it didn’t feel like I was sitting in a box as why should you have to fully enclose it just because the neighbor is a nut job.

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Petitprince · 28/06/2019 15:59

I'd ask them if they want to chip in for a fence. If not, buy a small picket fence to mark the boundary and use your garden as you please. www.wilko.com/en-uk/wilko-picket-fence-lawn-edging-99cm-x-25cm/p/0447673?nst=0&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItdPypbiM4wIVh6ztCh0qMQlrEAQYBCABEgLiuPD_BwE

drizzleinbrizzle · 28/06/2019 15:59

I think she is pushing to take over the whole garden too. If she keeps going on about every tiny thing she is hoping to just drive OP to give up using the garden at all! Can you plant a hedge across the boundary for screening purposes?

Gardens in flats add massively to the value, don't let her push you out of what is rightfully yours.

legoqueen · 28/06/2019 16:00

Fence it!

Mia184 · 28/06/2019 16:01

Definitely fence it.

Fortheloveofscience · 28/06/2019 16:01

You need to fence it OP. You’ve been nice and reasonable enough, it looks like you’re setup will be lovely once it’s done Smile.

Fortheloveofscience · 28/06/2019 16:02

Shit - your

Omzlas · 28/06/2019 16:03

Fence

Fairy lights (The tackiest ones you can find!)

Evening soirees in one's garden

Mine's a rosé, thank you please

Penelope might be having a rough time of it but you need to draw a line in the sand and say that enough is enough. You're being dictated to over how and when you can use your own garden FFS!

drizzleinbrizzle · 28/06/2019 16:03

Solar fairy lights give off hardly any light, you can't read by them, for example. They just look pretty but are not real lighting. She is mad to even suggest they would disturb her from that distance.

falafelaboutit · 28/06/2019 16:04

I think you should fence, even if they've backed off for now, this won't be the end of the saga.

Put a fence up as PP have suggested and enjoy your garden anytime you want. I couldn't live like that with the rota and moaning.

NeverGotMyPuppy · 28/06/2019 16:04

Penelope shouldn't really have bought a house with a shared garden if a shared garden makes her uncomfortable should she? Not your problem. Be polite but be firm. Her issues are not your problem and you are doing nothing wrong.

ThistleDownHair · 28/06/2019 16:08

I agree with previous posters.

There is NO WAY I'd be willing to not use a space that is rightfully mine because it's someones birthday / they have visitors etc / it's not my turn on the "rota".

Having to negotiate with clearly unreasonable people about what you want to put in said garden is a recipe for disaster and a surefire way of sapping any enjoyment you may get from using the space.

Put up a fence and put as much tacky items in YOUR garden as you wish without having to "consult" the neighbours! Go mad with fairy lights, flamingos, gnomes, wishing wells.... then sit back and relax with no further need to speak to them!

BalloonSlayer · 28/06/2019 16:08

Penelope sounds like a princess who can't grasp that she hasn't got enough money to buy a place with a garden all to herself, so therefore she doesn't get a garden all to herself. She thinks that if she moans and whinges and stamps her foot enough you'll say "ah no don't cry darling, don't worry, you can have it."

ControversialFerret · 28/06/2019 16:09

Fence.

This sharing lark is a bad idea - as evidenced by the fact that Penelope seems to think it's reasonable to ask you not to use your own garden!

I understand that she may be having a tough time at the moment. But that doesn't give her carte blanche to make unreasonable demands about how someone else should use their legally owned property. She bought the flat with the knowledge that the garden was split. If she doesn't like it then she needs to buy some nets, or move.

AcrossthePond55 · 28/06/2019 16:12

If you fenced your part, would you have to cross their part to get to it? If so, Penelope could try to make things 'difficult' (locking gate, obstructing walkway, etc). Hopefully you have some sort of guaranteed 'right of way' to access the back half.

It seems so odd to me to have the garden divided the way it is. Wouldn't it have made more sense to divide it from from the back boundary to the building rather than cross-ways. Is there a possibility of getting the boundary changed to do that? Then they could access their half of the garden in peace, as could you.

Barring that, I'd use the garden as I felt like it, but try and place any seating so that my back was to their house, possibly get one of those tilting umbrellas and tilt it to further block the view. Frankly, it would bother me just as much that they might be peering out at me as it bothers them (her) that I'm peering in!

DragonforaMIL · 28/06/2019 16:13

Put a fence up, then put daily lights all the way down your stairs and along the inside of your fence. Bollocks to the weirdo neighbour. She can't put conditions on you using YOUR part of the garden

sockatoe · 28/06/2019 16:13

They either need blinds, frosted glass, a detached house or some help with her mental health. None of these are your issues and I think you have behaved admirably in trying to accommodate her this far. I hope she gets herself sorted out and that you can enjoy your garden