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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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CottonSock · 28/06/2019 15:01

Good God, now I've seen the diagram I think it would be a big fence for me op. It won't have any negative impact on you at all.

eddielizzard · 28/06/2019 15:01

Well you've made the point about the fence and now they realise it's better to just shut up. I would let it go quiet and hope it stays that way for as long as possible!

Wild123 · 28/06/2019 15:04

Tell Penelope that an option for her would be to get a film put on all the windows that lets her see outside but you not inside!

Problem Solved!

1forAll74 · 28/06/2019 15:04

Oh dear,this is all so crazy,your neighbour sounds quite a wacky,silly,and nitpicking person. Some kind of fence seems the best bet. You can buy something like a bamboo fence screen,if you can't have a normal thick type wooden fence. I have similar issues where I live,like open shared spaces,but luckily no one is bothered with things like this. Good luck with whatever you have to do now !

grossed · 28/06/2019 15:05

Batshit neighbour = fence required.

BlooperReel · 28/06/2019 15:05

OP, it is time for a fence and a 'fuck off'.

Juells · 28/06/2019 15:06

All becomes clear once you see the diagram. She thinks your bit is better than hers - and it is. A big fuck-off fence is the only answer to a CF like that.

A few years ago I did a house-share, she seemed nice. Gave her a nice double bedroom at the back of the house, her own kitchen, and her own bathroom, all for less than the going rate because I'm soft. She mentioned that another bedroom at the front of the house was bigger, she'd prefer it. I said I slept in the room below that, so didn't want someone walking around over me, plus I watched TV very late. She asked if she could store her stuff in there, I said OK. A few days after that she said she'd heard a door banging in the house next door and thought there was 'an angry energy' to it, could she move into the front room, no problem with TV, she'd wear ear-plugs. All her stuff got moved into the room she'd vacated.

Jeeze, I'm even boring myself here, but it's good to have a rant about it Grin My sister came to stay, in the other small bedroom on that floor. Tenant came into my kitchen with a face like thunder and said she should have been consulted, it was an invasion of her privacy for somebody to suddenly appear on her floor without any warning. I pointed out that it was a house share, the whole floor wasn't hers even though she was taking it over piece by piece. She demanded an apology, I laughed at her and she sulked off. A few weeks later she approached me again and suggested that it would only be fair if we came to an agreement that I didn't watch TV after 9 o'clock, as she didn't like hearing it. I said No. She said 'well then, 10, any later than that is unreasonable'. I said 'you have a month to find somewhere else'.

The world is full of CFs who think they can walk all over everyone else, and Penelope is one under the guise of being very fragile and oh-so-sensitive. Her husband has to put up with her, but the OP doesn't.

AryaStarkWolf · 28/06/2019 15:06

Another for the Fence option

TheCatThatDanced · 28/06/2019 15:08

Fence.

DoctorDread · 28/06/2019 15:09

Where is the vote button on the app?

FrancisCrawford · 28/06/2019 15:09

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DartmoorDoughnut · 28/06/2019 15:11

Ye gods I’d be putting up a fence this weekend, just some willow screening or something so you can use a mallet and put it up really quickly!

yumyumpoppycat · 28/06/2019 15:12

Definitely put up a fence - sorry haven't read the full thread - especially if you can access your bit without going in their space. Your section of garden will be fine fenced in.

Wolfcubisthefemalenominal · 28/06/2019 15:14

I’d get a big fence. Penelope is making things miserable for you just enjoy your bit and ignore.

Crankybitch · 28/06/2019 15:15

Another vote for the fence ..

DareDevil223 · 28/06/2019 15:15

he became adamant that my cat had learned to flush the toilet and had been doing so all day.

Brilliant! Grin

TheCatThatDanced · 28/06/2019 15:15

Juells - house sharing eh?! The last few times I flat shared/house shared were as follows:-

me and flat mate (friend) in rented flat. She kept the fridge (a small one) in the hall. No room for it in our tiny kitchen. It made a racket and kept me awake at night so eventually I moved it into the living room and put a screen over it.

When I moved in and after I signed the contract she said there were mice and to keep bread etc in tupperware. A couple of months later I found a mouse in my bedroom eating chocolate from a bedside table. Rentokill came out and found loads of droppings behind a fridge in the kitchen. I moved out not long afterwards.

Second house-share - shared with a couple who owned the house. Had a nice double room at top of a town house. Bath didn't work for a bath - you had to lug kettles of water up the stairs.

Then - landlady wanted me to iron with ironing board in my bedroom, I refused and did it in shared living room. She also fired the cleaner after I moved in, said we could 'save money by doing it ourselves'. Neighbours had a Rottweiller they let out at night and had parties a lot - wouldn't let dog back in so dog howled outside and kept me awake - earplugs didn't help much. I asked landlady to speak to neighbours but she refused as she was scared of them. Stayed there 6 months then left. After that, she told me neighbours were evicted. After I left I bought my own flat.

cstaff · 28/06/2019 15:17

@juells I like your style. The only problem is that if everyone acted as you did we wouldn't have any CF threads on here Grin and they are my favourite.

ComeAndDance · 28/06/2019 15:17

Tbh I think you have already been VERY accommodating.

tanfastic111 · 28/06/2019 15:17

Your neighbour is just weird 🥴🥴

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 28/06/2019 15:19

Another vote for fence. If you continue to share the garden they will ultimately gain legal rights of access and this will result in a loss of value to your flat. Would you give them thousands of pounds in cash? No? Then don’t do it in garden access either.

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 28/06/2019 15:20

#teamnewt. I mean, fence.

Opossooom · 28/06/2019 15:21

oh gosh MENTAL! You’ve been very accommodating. Penelope sounds mental.

gloomyfriday · 28/06/2019 15:22

Feels to me like she wants you to just stop using the garden and that is what she hopes is going to happen if she keeps making a fuss. I'd also put up a fence, if she can't cope with the arrangement she shouldn't have moved in there.

longearedbat · 28/06/2019 15:22

And if you put up a solid fence and hang fairy lights on your side (or anywhere in the garden come to that below a certain height) she won't even see them. I would make sure it's the full height fence panels(1.8 metres I think). There is no doubt she wants your garden, but she's really shot herself in the foot now.
Also, I think if you ever plan to sell, having a lovely private garden would be a real bonus.