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AIBU?

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I can't do laundry when you're in your garden

618 replies

Fairylighting · 28/06/2019 13:38

Ok, so I really don't think IABU, but was chatting to a friend about this fiasco last night and thought it would be worth putting it to the MN jury! I'll try not to drip feed, but that means this might be rather long!

I live in the first floor flat of a Victorian terrace conversion in London. It's a share of freehold with the ground floor flat and we technically each own half of the garden; my the back half from my fire escape stairs to the back fence and them the front half, from their French doors to the bottom of my steps. The whole freehold and both properties were previously owned by the same person, who rented each flat out and the garden has never been physically split by a fence or hedge etc. When I moved in (at the about same time as my downstairs neighbours), we had a brief discussion whereby we decided to share the garden since it's very small and that seemed like the most sensible and beneficial way to enjoy it.

Since then, we've had a few (4x over 20 months) minor issues where one of them (let's call her Penelope) has sent a message to our shared WhatsApp group complaining about noise, most of which wasn't actually coming from my flat. For example, once when I was away for a weekend and another time when I was asleep in bed. Then, one morning after they had been disturbed by noise from my flat, after I'd had to make a phonecall late at night I got a WhatsApp message from Penelope requesting that I don't have the TV or radio on in my bedroom after 10.30pm Sunday-Thursday... in some ways that one was easy since I don't have a TV or radio in my bedroom.

After that, we arranged to meet up for a cuppa to discuss their issues and set a date to do so a couple of weeks later. A few days before that date I was in the garden with my mum, having a cup of tea, in the afternoon. Penelope came outside and explained that they were having guests over for lunch and felt exposed because we were in the garden, and requested that we went outside. I said that I didn't think that was a reasonable request and she went inside crying.

We then met for the planned chat and Penelope and her partner (he can be Samuel for the purposes of this thread) explained that the noise wasn't really an issue and that it hadn't happened very often, also that Penelope is a light sleeper and is probably more bothered about it because of that, so we dropped that issue. Penelope then started talking about the garden and how exposed they feel in their home, when I'm in the shared garden before Samuel suggested she might want to apologise for the events of the preceding weekend. She did so, and I explained how rude I had felt that was before she continued to explain how bothered they were by the whole issue. I expressed some sympathy but also said that I like using the garden and that it's one of the reasons I bought the flat. We agreed to share schedules so they and I could plan any events involving guests for times when the other party is away if possible. We did that over the course of the following week.

About a week later I got a message saying it was Penelope's birthday and asking whether I could therefore not use the garden, so they could relax in their home. The following day I got a message with some ideas for changing the garden in a way that would make it more open with fewer changes of level and planting. I replied to say that I was happy to chat it through but that it sounded like a lot of work and might also further reduce their privacy then the conversation went quiet.

Another week later I sent a message saying that I was considering buying some solar powered fairy lights for the garden and I got a really tetchy reply from Penelope, who was upset that they'd be shining light into their property all night long. I explained that we could just turn them on and off as we wanted to use them. This prompted another message asking me not to use the garden on the Saturday of that weekend, followed by a long message explaining how upset they are by my use of the garden and how it prevents them from doing laundry and cooking. Penelope said this has all triggered her depression and anxiety and that they're worried the lights will look tacky and encourage me to use the garden in the evenings.

I replied on WhatsApp saying I wanted to consider a proper response and drafted a long email over a few days, setting out the legal position and the fact that I want to use the garden (or at least my part of it) freely. I proposed a way forwards that included me and Samuel communicating until Penelope feels better, neither party making any changes to the garden in the short term, informing eachother of any abnormal use of the garden in advance, and that our default position would need to be a return to the legal split of the garden.

Anyway, that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep since... What's happened?!

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Tricia55 · 29/06/2019 18:00

I really feel for you, you find a nice place to live, even if it has a shared garden. Madam Doolally, knew it was shared when she purchased it, hence she needs to get a grip. She's trying to edge you out & make out it's her garden, but she's gonna have to think again about her little plan. Why did she but it in the first place, although maybe she thought you might not use the garden & she could do a take over.
Good luck, I certainly feel for you & remember next time no shared garden.

RandomMess · 29/06/2019 18:04

I think some of it needs a boundary, one 5' high trellis on the RHS would be enough so when you are sat in your garden you are screened.

The wire fence with ivy sounds a good idea too!

Debenhamshandtowel · 29/06/2019 18:10

I agree that the plan needs amending to add distances.

Please Smile

Tricia55 · 29/06/2019 18:10

Meant to say fence idea good along with fairy lights & windchimes.
If push comes to shove maybe sell to loyds party people as mentioned.
It sounds as though she'll just find something else to moan about.
Neighbours from hell.

threatmatrix · 29/06/2019 18:12

Darling Penelope needs to get a fucking grip and shut the fuck up. Can’t you fence your bit off or run barbed wire down the middle.

RippleEffects · 29/06/2019 18:14

What about a fence made out of frosted shower type panels or posh hotel balcony privacy type screens, so they don't have a light issue but you both have privacy.

Sara107 · 29/06/2019 18:23

Sounds like a nightmare! They need to do something to their windows so that it’s not possible to see in from the garden - nets, shutters, one way mirror etc. Lots of people living on street level have very nice, attractive solutions to stop people seeing in. Then you need to sort out some sort of garden design that demarcates your separate ‘territories’, giving each as much privacy as possible while trying not to turn both halves into something that look like they belong in a high security prison.

deadandalive · 29/06/2019 18:24

They basically want the garden to themselves and are trying to drive you out of it and stop you inputting your personality into it.

I’d simply split it down the middle. A small private space that you can do what you want with and use as you wish, is better than the restrictions, tantrums, bullying and headache you’re having now!

Frazzledstar1 · 29/06/2019 18:24

Sounds like you’ve tried to be perfectly reasonable with the whole situation - I’d say fence!

OpinionsOnEverything · 29/06/2019 18:25

I too am on #teamfence - HOWEVER... do you have to be careful about how high it is? If you out up a 6ft fence will you then be subjected to complaints about it blocking light? You'll almost certainly be subjected to complaints about accessing your part of the garden through theirs Hmm
Either way, you definitely need a boundary and I would cease contact - reasoning with someone with anxiety isn't going to be easy or useful, she needs to be in an appropriate headspace to be able to process things and it doesn't sound like she's there at the moment... it sounds like the husband is trying to guilt you with her mental state as well!
Just to add the same as everyone else has said, I'd hate looking out of my window and seeing someone else in the garden but they bought the flat knowing that was a scenario they were likely to encounter, that's their problem, not yours!

Very much looking forward to an update on this Grin

Cheby · 29/06/2019 18:29

I want to know who the 1% are who thought you were being unreasonable OP 😂

Cheby · 29/06/2019 18:30

Also, having MH issues doesn’t not mean you can behave like a dick and get a free pass.

Tricia55 · 29/06/2019 18:32

How to you say that you like a post? Thank you

BenWillbondsPants · 29/06/2019 18:32

You absolutely need to stop this nonsense about sharing the whole garden. Get it split properly and legally and use it when the hell you like. Then delete the WhatsApp group and hope to god they move.

DipDabLollyPop · 29/06/2019 18:33

Some people are idiots. I've had worse neighbours, one who hung over our fence yelling like an angry chimp and going red in the face like the gammon he was with no warning 😂😂😂 Pathetic excuse for a man!

Katherine2626 · 29/06/2019 18:52

You have my sympathy as you are dealing with what sounds like a very fragile woman. A fence might be the best plan; you should not be restricted in the use of your own garden - different if it were all shared but your having to negotiate to use a space that is your own...that cannot be right. I would be extremely gentle and kind to her but explain that this needs to be resolved as the situation is causing you unhappiness. A person who apparently can't cook or use her garden/kitchen if someone else is there - well, this lady is clearly extremely unhappy and needs to get this sorted out - or move. Her over sensitivity to everything cannot become your problem, it is not fair.

siddlydiddly · 29/06/2019 18:59

A fence is the way to go. I feel OP being unreasonable to ask you to stop using your garden, especially when you own your share of the garden.

GotToGoMyOwnWay · 29/06/2019 19:00

Penelope only cares about Penelope not the op’s possible stress & inconvenience. She’s a selfish one. Just because she may have anxiety etc she does not have any right to dictate to the op how she uses her OWN garden.

diddl · 29/06/2019 19:07

"I want to know who the 1% are who thought you were being unreasonable OP"

It's me!Blush

Just noticed that I voted YABU.

Sorry-obvs didn't mean to!

Miriamkiwi · 29/06/2019 19:10

Lol😅 just for the laugh put some "frosred" shower curtains on washing line to screen your half, obviously not permanent but as a taste of the nice ( shared cost, or 60% them as Penelope sounds expensive!) barrier soon to be erected! You haven't heard a peep because you've made your point and kept your dignity, good on you!

gamerwidow · 29/06/2019 19:10

I do have a certain amount of sympathy for Penelope. I have anxiety and having people outside my window would make me feel on edge.
I hated it when we had a shared garden and never felt like I could quite relax.
That being said she lives in a house with a shared garden and it is not your responsibility to manage her anxiety.
I agree with the many other posters saying get a fence. I can’t see how else it can be resolved. Either Penelope will feel her space is being invaded or you will feel uncomfortable every time you go in the garden because you don’t know if you’re going to be getting a load of grief about it.

1NeedPampering · 29/06/2019 19:15

A fence is definitely the way forward, but check boundary lines carefully, consider height (too low/too high) and if cost of fence and maintenance will be shared or not!

BlueJava · 29/06/2019 19:16

I don't agree you need to put a fence up - Penelope and Samuel need to buy a house with a garden, not a flat with a shared garden. They sound ridiculous and YANBU.

Etteloc · 29/06/2019 19:18

You are both being unreasonable You will never, ever resolve this without a fence - however small the garden. Also the current set up would be v off-putting if either party wanted to sell - esp as issues with neighbors would be asked about.

Trudij123 · 29/06/2019 19:21

All facing the downstairs flat...

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