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to be a little perturbed to have discovered that my next door neighbour is a Creationist?

276 replies

Greensleeves · 25/06/2019 22:59

DH overheard our next door neighbour having a row with his wife in the back garden yesterday. He was insisting - belligerently - that the Earth is 6000 years old, Stephen Hawking was an idiot and the moon landing was faked. His wife was cackling and saying things like "but it's basic GCSE physics!".

For the avoidance of dripfeed: he's a dour, ill-mannered git who bellows at his kids all weekend and lets his dog shit on our drive.

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Madhairday · 30/06/2019 17:23

Completely agree Lifecraft with what you say about atheism not pointing to whether someone is good/bad etc, and I wasn't saying these governments were toxic because of their atheism. I was merely taking issue with the statement 'people without an imaginary friend aren't harming anyone' which seems to me to be utterly naive and unrepresentative of reality.

Hello Errol :) yep, also agree about totalitarian systems and certain religious systems, in terms of similarities - man's thirst for power, basically, and that's when religion goes completely wrong and we've seen it through the ages with how the church got severely knocked off track when it buddied up with Constantine and beyond. I can't excuse the atrocities of the past within my faith; I abhor them. But the faith I follow is about love, it's about justice and mercy, it's about forgiveness, and it's about liberation. Sadly some men decided to ignore the founder of that faith and instead further their own ends in a patriarchal, misogynistic, oppressive construct of religion which bore very little relation to the teachings of Jesus and the life of the earliest church.

BertrandRussell · 01/07/2019 09:29

God/religion always has a perfect get out clause. Anything good he/it is responsible for- anything bad is because sin/misinterpretation/general human badness.

araiwa · 01/07/2019 10:19

You never see an athlete blaming god for coming in a dismal last place and getting injured

dreamyspires · 01/07/2019 15:32

Well I believe that God created us, I’m always a bit baffled that so many people believe the universe just created itself, but each to their own.

Lifecraft · 01/07/2019 16:00

Well I believe that God created us, I’m always a bit baffled that so many people believe the universe just created itself, but each to their own.

I'm baffled by people who say everything must have a creator and something can't come from nothing, and then completely abandon their own rules when it comes to god. Apparently god didn't need a creator and just appeared???

Lifecraft · 01/07/2019 16:04

You never see an athlete blaming god for coming in a dismal last place and getting injured

And the child found in the rubble alive a week after the earthquake is a miracle, so praise be to god.

"Yes, thank you god for sending an earthquake to kill all my friends and family, leaving me orphaned and alone. Any other favours you have lined up for me? Because I'll tell you what, I'll pass!"

SagAloojah · 01/07/2019 16:19

God/religion always has a perfect get out clause. Anything good he/it is responsible for- anything bad is because sin/misinterpretation/general human badness.

That’s a bit simplistic? Most religious people I know accept both good and bad as being from God to test us.

Brahumbug · 01/07/2019 18:41

This thread has left me absolutely disgusted. I just can't get over the way people could mock other human beings, for their religion. It's disgusting and wouldn't be accepted if you were to say all these nasty things about, for example; a Muslim belief.

Why wouldn't it be accepted? I have no problem criticizing the batshit crazy nonsense that passes for Islam.
Creationism has exactly zero evidence to support it. The case for evolution is overwhelming.

Brahumbug · 01/07/2019 18:44

If an atheist was a serial killer, could I say that they were a representation of all atheists? Of court not.

No, because his/her atheism are unlikely to be the motivation for their crime. Religion was the motivation for 9/11.

Brahumbug · 01/07/2019 18:48

Posted to soon. The motivation for ISIS, the crusades, the inquisition, Wahhabism, Hindu nationalism etc.

Brahumbug · 01/07/2019 18:49

Is unlikely not are unlikely!

Bunnyfuller · 01/07/2019 19:06

To be fair, the are some super sciency books that do postulate on how the universe/Big Bang came into being, but it’s quantum physics and soon loses the non-quantum scientist.

Like when you listen to His Majesty Brian Cox and 2 sentences in you haven’t got a fucking clue what he’s talking about. Wormholes and dark matter are real things, and they feature heavily in the theories. But apparently Black holes have a lot to answer for but we’ll never be able to test this because event horizon.

You’re welcome.

dreamyspires · 01/07/2019 19:08

The case for evolution is overwhelming.

No it really isn’t.

strawberrypenguin · 01/07/2019 19:10

Has he been reading Good Omens? 6000 year old earth and dinosaur skeletons as a joke from God both feature Grin

dreamyspires · 01/07/2019 19:18

Evolution itself is not sufficient to account for the fruitfulness of the world.

BertrandRussell · 01/07/2019 19:49

“Evolution itself is not sufficient to account for the fruitfulness of the world.”

Why not?

BlamesFartsOnTheNeighbour · 01/07/2019 21:31

Um yes it is.

BlamesFartsOnTheNeighbour · 01/07/2019 21:33

Fancy explaining why an all-loving, omnipotent god chose to expend some energy on creating the Ebola virus?

Lifecraft · 01/07/2019 21:42

The case for evolution is overwhelming.

No it really isn’t.

Errr,,,it really is. And has been proved by bacteria in a sealed flask. Bacteria being ideal for studying as you can get many generations in a very short space of time.

Bacteria, that feed on a certain kind of food, slowly had their food reduced and replaced with a different type of food that they couldn't eat. And over many generations ( a few months), they adapted to become a totally different type of bacteria, that could feed on the new food that was being provided and not the original food.

Lifecraft · 01/07/2019 21:44

This thread has left me absolutely disgusted. I just can't get over the way people could mock other human beings, for their religion. It's disgusting and wouldn't be accepted if you were to say all these nasty things about, for example; a Muslim belief.

Plenty of posts on this thread about Islamic inspired mass murder. So I don't know why you would say that. I firmly believe in treating all religions equally...they are all utterly bonkers. Happy now?

mogonfoxnight · 01/07/2019 21:53

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BertrandRussell · 01/07/2019 22:33

Hang on- you tell your children that black holes contain god and heaven? Why?

Brahumbug · 01/07/2019 22:34

I'm sorry, but if you don't know that the case for evolution is overwhelming then you don't know what you are talking about. The fossil record, experimental evidence, clade evidence, DNA etc form a huge body of evidence.

AlaskanOilBaron · 01/07/2019 22:36

YABU. These people are totally crackerjacks, but it's all part of life's rich tapestry.

AlaskanOilBaron · 01/07/2019 22:40

The fossil record, experimental evidence, clade evidence, DNA etc form a huge body of evidence.

Creationists believe that Satan put fossils etc here to test our faith. They don't buy it.