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to be a little perturbed to have discovered that my next door neighbour is a Creationist?

276 replies

Greensleeves · 25/06/2019 22:59

DH overheard our next door neighbour having a row with his wife in the back garden yesterday. He was insisting - belligerently - that the Earth is 6000 years old, Stephen Hawking was an idiot and the moon landing was faked. His wife was cackling and saying things like "but it's basic GCSE physics!".

For the avoidance of dripfeed: he's a dour, ill-mannered git who bellows at his kids all weekend and lets his dog shit on our drive.

OP posts:
AfterSchoolWorry · 26/06/2019 09:41

Yanbu, but stupid people have to live somewhere I suppose.

Yabbers · 26/06/2019 09:49

Mostly I'm just poking fun, because a) his views are completely loopy, and b) I don't like the cunt

I’ll hazard a guess that the feeling is mutual.

araiwa · 26/06/2019 09:53

There really is no excuse to think the world is 6000 years old and that the entire universe was created in 6 days.

Its 2019 ffs

ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 26/06/2019 09:55

I know quite a few people who are short earth creationists. Also pretty much all Christians believe God created the world, just that some of us believe in millions of years, and some as little as 6000.

honeygirlz · 26/06/2019 09:59

Mostly I'm just poking fun, because a) his views are completely loopy

Just leave him to practice his religion in peace. He’s not trying to convert you so it’s nasty to poke fun. Mind your own business and get some balls to address the problems you actually have (dog shit).

So sick of atheists shitting on everyone.

MonstranceClock · 26/06/2019 10:00

I find it so sad that in this day and age some people are so brainwashed as to believing in this bullshit.

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 26/06/2019 10:00

I don't really understand how any christian, muslim or jew can not be a creationist. Once you accept that homo sapiens has evolved in the same way as any other living organism the whole thing really starts to fall apart.

(Young-earth creationism is a whole nother level of batshit.)

NCforthis2019 · 26/06/2019 10:02

What the bloody hello is a creationist?! Jesus Christ - I can’t bloody keep up with all these names these days. Can’t people just be human. Confused Is it being in some cult?

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 26/06/2019 10:08

Is it being in some cult?

Yes - monotheistic religion Grin

codemonkey · 26/06/2019 10:09

What the bloody hello is a creationist?!

It's people who reject the big bang and evolution and believe the earth is around 4000 - 6000 years old, was created in six days and every single human is descended directly from Adam and Eve.

They tend to gloss over the bit about Adam and Eve only having two sons...

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/06/2019 10:10

So sick of atheists shitting on everyone. An understanding of science isn't limited to creationists. It's possible to have a religion and to believe in evolution.

stucknoue · 26/06/2019 10:11

I know a few, interesting to talk to for a couple of hours in the pub. I also know lots of vicars, no overlap! My vicar is really into science.

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/06/2019 10:13

What the bloody hello is a creationist?! Jesus Christ - I can’t bloody keep up with all these names these days. A creationist is someone who believes the earth was created in its entirety by God for example as described in the Bible, and who denies the role of evolution. It's not a new term - it was in wide use in the 1980s and probably before.

ShannonHoon · 26/06/2019 10:14

I know someone who is relatively famous who is a flat earther. They've travelled all over the world with their work, I really want to ask why they haven't seen the edge in all their travels but I can't be bothered to deal with the conversation.

PatoPotato · 26/06/2019 10:15

This is a really weird thread.

What kind of sheltered life does a person live if they have never met a Muslim, Christian, Jew etc with religious beliefs? Why is OP eavesdropping on her neighbours? This is all very strange.

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 26/06/2019 10:16

It's people who reject the big bang and evolution and believe the earth is around 4000 - 6000 years old

To be fair, that's young-earth creationism. Many creationists accept that the universe is very much older. But they all believe that everything, including living beings, was specially created by a god. It is not compatible with Darwinian evolution.

Creationism is an important element of religions which accord some special status to humans, and which believe that humans uniquely have a soul.

DoneLikeAKipper · 26/06/2019 10:18

So sick of atheists having the audacity to point out how ridiculous the idea of creationism actually is, especially when science continues to prove to the contrary

Fix that for you, @honeygirlz

HappydaysArehere · 26/06/2019 10:24

Feel sorry for him and his wife for having to live with him. Unless it wasn’t jokey exchange between them. Then completely ignore after having a good laugh.

codemonkey · 26/06/2019 10:27

I don't really understand how any christian, muslim or jew can not be a creationist. Once you accept that homo sapiens has evolved in the same way as any other living organism the whole thing really starts to fall apart

Not really. Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. I guess most people of faith believe in the big bang etc. and also believe that God was the driving force for that event. They believe that the Bible was written within the parameters of what was known at the time. There are even people of immense faith, like two vicars I know, who actually believe that much of the Bible was intended to be allegorical, even at the time.

honeygirlz · 26/06/2019 10:27

So sick of atheists having the audacity to point out how ridiculous the idea of creationism actually is, especially when science continues to prove to the contrary

Nothing wrong with debate but atheists saying religious people believe in a flying spaghetti monster is not debate. Utter childish twattery. What harm is he doing to OP with his beliefs?

codemonkey · 26/06/2019 10:31

To be fair, that's young-earth creationism. Many creationists accept that the universe is very much older. But they all believe that everything, including living beings, was specially created by a god. It is not compatible with Darwinian evolution

Ok. There are degrees of creationism with the defining characteristic being a rejection of Darwinism.

I know four vicars, maybe six lay preachers and a nun. None of them reject evolution. I do also know a few creationists. Level of education and critical thinking abilities seem to be the reason for the difference, not faith.

MysweetAudrina · 26/06/2019 10:31

^What the bloody hello is a creationist?!

It's people who reject the big bang and evolution and believe the earth is around 4000 - 6000 years old, was created in six days and every single human is descended directly from Adam and Eve.

They tend to gloss over the bit about Adam and Eve only having two sons...^

I thought they had 3 sons, Cain, Abel and Seth........ misses point of thread

araiwa · 26/06/2019 10:34

Nothing wrong with debate but atheists saying religious people believe in a flying spaghetti monster is not debate.

Then you misunderstand.

Flying spaghetti monster is used when religious people ask to prove there is no god. You ask them in return to prove there is no flying spaghetti monster- they cant. Noone can for either. Its not an argument

DoneLikeAKipper · 26/06/2019 10:35

but atheists saying religious people believe in a flying spaghetti monster is not debate.

Atheists don’t say religious people believe in the FSM - that’s just an allegory for the whole idea of religion and how really quite silly it all actually is. However, you’re right in the fact that he and anyone else is entitled to their beliefs (however untenable) as long as they’re not using it to harm others.

codemonkey · 26/06/2019 10:36

I thought they had 3 sons, Cain, Abel and Seth........

Ooh. I think you're right.