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To report parents for not registering the birth of a child

643 replies

Anon6356237 · 23/06/2019 07:14

Should I stay out of it or report? I'm concerned the child could fly under the radar if there are any concerns if they are not 'in the system'. Who would I report to?

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SparkyBlue · 28/06/2019 23:01

@ProteinshakesandAntonsbum no definitely not a lie as it was a huge thing when it happened. Think about it I am 42 and didn't get a pps number until I was 18. It's relatively recently that it was issued at birth. he got his prsi number when he started work at 14 and had never had a passport so it never came up. My own father only needed his birth cert for the first time ever when applying for a passport in his mid forties. When I got married my own parents were surprised that I needed to register intent with the civil register office as again this is fairly recent(sometime within the past 40 years lol) apparently you went to the priest who sorted it out for you so again no need for a birth cert. Obviously things have changed massively in Ireland and it would never happen nowadays.

RespectfullyNo · 29/06/2019 02:46

I would say they want to be off the grid so that they can continue to homeschool the child without paperwork. In order to register the child or enroll them they must have up to date immunization and shots. If they are opposed to this at all it may be a way to avoid both. Other than that they might be raising a spy.Grin

EmmaGrundyForPM · 29/06/2019 04:39

You have done the right thing OP. Well done.

ProteinshakesandAntonsbum · 29/06/2019 06:14

In order to register the child or enroll them they must have up to date immunization and shots

In the UK?

SparkyBlue he wouldnt have got pps number. They started in the 70s.

Thos man must have never driven or left the country?

meditrina · 29/06/2019 07:13

"This man must have never driven or left the country?"

It's quite possible that, if FMOTL, he was an adult convert and so has a driving licence (address might not be up to date on it though), and various other things that come from living normally in UK. And as FMOTL aren't always competely consistent, there might be a roadworthy and insured car too

A child would need a birth certificate to enter a British school (proof of age, normally required for private schools too), but immunisations are not required

ProteinshakesandAntonsbum · 29/06/2019 07:17

meditrina the person I an referring to from sparkly isnt FMOTL.

He is someone who claims he didnt know he wasnt registered at birth until he wanted a mortgage in his 30s. He parents, apparently, just forgot to register him.

ProteinshakesandAntonsbum · 29/06/2019 07:18

I do agree though. Lots of FMOTL converts love enjoying the benefits of citizenship when it suits them. But dont want their kids to have those benefits.

SparkyBlue · 29/06/2019 07:44

@ProteinshakesandAntonsbum honest to god this happened. It was 1989 when it was discovered and his own parents were still alive and shocked and claimed of course he was registered. He was from a nice normal family and I stand corrected but it wasn't technically a mortgage but he was buying his house from the county council under a tenant purchase scheme and then discovered that there was no evidence of him having ever been registered. He had worked since his teens, paid tax and social insurance and was married with children and had always voted and while it seems absolutely and utterly bonkers now it shows how things were so different. So I am sure in generations gone past it has happened but more than likely always accidentally and nothing like what the OP is talking about where parents are deliberately causing awful hassle for their child.

ProteinshakesandAntonsbum · 29/06/2019 08:04

I am not suggesting you are lying.

But there is something he hasnt told you or exaggerated.

By his birth certificate would have been needed at some point. I get that I dont know this person.

But I think there's information missing.

drspouse · 29/06/2019 08:06

@llangennith OP has reported.

MB246 · 29/06/2019 23:27

The child can register itself when it is old enough to do so.

If this is in UK for example, how can you be sure they definitely want to be British?

Same with christening and genital mutilation etc of kids, all unfair and should be illegal

'Registration' should be provisional until you are 18, then you go to finalise it yourself after you have had chance to travel and decide

I want to be Spanish but my bloody parents signed me off as British, not fair being made into property before you can even speak.

MB246 · 29/06/2019 23:27

do you own that kid?

MB246 · 29/06/2019 23:29

It is completely legal to educate outside of school in UK

ProteinshakesandAntonsbum · 29/06/2019 23:49

The child is British if they were born here. Assuming the parents were British.

Until a person is registered, they can not access their rights. So the parents register them.

It doesnt make them property of anyone. The child is also not the parents property.

I assume one of you parents are Spanish? Not everyone can just say 'oh I want to spanish/german/Japanese'.

Your nationality isnt a choice for the majority of people.

Your parents have to make choices on your behalf, these choices should be in the best interests of the child and within the law.

Christenings are not the same as genital mutilation or non registry of birth.

Changing religion or ditching religion is reversible, for a start. Besides you think it's ok for a parent to deprive a child if its rights as a citizen and make that choice for them. Choose that lifestyle, but not religion?

Comparing FGM to a christening is simply awful. And I am not even remotely religious.

Non registry will already cause the child probelms by the time they are an adult.

If you could be bothered to read the thread you would see that the child can not just tip up and register themseleves.

And no one on this thread has suggested it's not legal to educate your child outside of school.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 30/06/2019 01:31

MB246
Registration doesn’t give you nationality. Your nationality is based on where you and/or where your parents and grandparents were born.

I hold dual nationality because both of my parents were born in and citizens of different countries.

SoupDragon · 30/06/2019 07:18

Same with christening and genital mutilation etc of kids

WTF?? What is wrong with you?

ProteinshakesandAntonsbum · 30/06/2019 07:33

I am not shocked to find MB246 is new poster/name changer.

And from their other posts it's quite clear, they think their child is their property.

Verily1 · 30/06/2019 08:17

This thread is really quite disturbing, and that’s from someone who is quite cynical about state interference in private lives.

I did actually consider non registration but it has so many disadvantages for the child. We may not like the governments we get but registration is worth it for the ability to travel, work, own property etc.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 30/06/2019 08:22

@MB246 you can't seriously be comparing Christening a child to FGM. And FGM is illegal in this country.

DipDabLollyPop · 30/06/2019 08:25

Report as this kid won't be able to get a job, enrol in uni, or get access to anything without being registered.

Shooturlocalmethdealer · 30/06/2019 08:25

I'm surprised to hear lots of Americans do this as I'm American. News to me. Strange to say the least.

codemonkey · 30/06/2019 08:29

Use the time you've saved to read the human rights act

Which specifically mentions a child's right to be registered. I think your recommendations are aimed at the wrong people.

trollopolis · 30/06/2019 08:29

"The child can register itself when it is old enough to do so"

How? Genuine question. The birth certificate is the historic record of birth. It's not a statement of nationality or relationship,with the state. It is simply a record what shows where and when someone was born and at least one parent. Every country (or at least all those signed up to UNHRC) must ensure that it is easy for every child's right to this be done. It has nothing whatsoever to do with later life and schooling choices one

How would someone age18 demonstrate where/when they were born and prove a parent, after that long an interval? Unless of course they had a document issued within a few weeks of their actual birth that would be readily recognised .... oh, hang on ....

codemonkey · 30/06/2019 08:36

Threads like these on MN have taught me to never ever trust anyone outside my own home. There is always someone out there willing to report you for anything and everything. Never let your guard down

Someone with your level of paranoia really needs to stay away from the internet.

Just opening up your browser and posting in mumsnet means that thousands of pieces of information have been stored about you, your likes, your opinions, your lifestyle, your desires, your likely income etc. etc. What's your guard doing to protect you from that?

jennymanara · 30/06/2019 08:41

I did watch a documentary about a religious group in America who refuse to register their children. They also believe in very harshly physically punishing their kids. The suspicion was that they do not want to register their kids in case they accidentally kill one.