To report parents for not registering the birth of a child

[Anon6356237]

Should I stay out of it or report? I'm concerned the child could fly under the radar if there are any concerns if they are not 'in the system'. Who would I report to?

@Proteinshakesandtears well that’s a good point . Well I would allay their fears and say to them don’t worry I’m sure it will be fine just take your child to get checked out about your concerns, I can’t really give you a diagnosis. Better to be safe than sorry.

Not taking their children for medical care because of not registering is not a tenable situation

When I did the house clearance after they passed, the amount of tin-hat conspiracy stuff I found about authorities stealing children wassignificant.

All the while treating their children in a way that means the children probably ly should have been removed.

I am sorry this happen to you

Well I would allay their fears and say to them don’t worry I’m sure it will be fine just take your child to get checked out about your concerns, I can’t really give you a diagnosis. Better to be safe than sorry.

But if they have paranoia complex, then they still wont go. If they do go, SS will be altered because you said these women had had previous SS involvement and it will be recognised they waited a significant amount of time to get medical help. If they do at all.

That will fuel their paranoia. And they womt listen to another stranger trying to allay their fears.

Not taking their children for medical care because of not registering is not a tenable situation

How so?

Perhaps there should be something in place so people an get medical help without repercussions to the family. At least then they are getting seen and if there are other reasons for abuse other than not being registered then they are seeing a professional who can refer them

thank you. To be fair, there are worse stories out there.

But anyone not even registering their child's birth needs a very close look. In my personal experience of my situation and people I've met who grew up similarly, that's an extra level of madness, and it's set in earlier, prior to the birth.

People who don't register their baby are seriously invested in keeping their child off-grid, and that child is going to be further off-grid than I was.

Perhaps there should be something in place so people an get medical help without repercussions to the family

No it doesnt need to be change. You can get medical help without fear of repercussions. Providing you are you child with adequate care.

Why would we change all these things, that will put more children in danger because some parents can jot make good decisions.

What about the children, that will suffer as a result of this. The ones that get medical help, but the medical staff all look the other way.

Why not just leave things the way they are rather. Than than changing for a few people who think they can do whatever they want to their children or who are suffering with Mental health issues, to the point they cant parent?

Why would we change safeguarding, so more children living in bad conditions get missed?

Not registering your child is a huge red flag.

It's also illegal. So of course, it will be picked up on.

You havent answered how a 16 year old would prove they were born in this country to their parents, without a births register?

Perhaps there should be something in place so people an get medical help without repercussions to the family. At least then they are getting seen and if there are other reasons for abuse other than not being registered then they are seeing a professional who can refer them

The repercussions they're scared of are SS involvement. Unless you're going to explicitly set up a "no questions asked service", where the medical staff promise that they will not contact social services no matter how many cigarette burns they find on your toddler's body, it's not possible.

And you would find it very difficult to staff such a service. Paediatricians and paediatric nurses will not sign away their responsibility to contact social services about toddlers being tortured.

No I mean no questions asked about not registering at hospitals but referrals to SS if suspected abuse is flag. Health care professionals are extremely diligent about this now

There was a case in the US of wo FDLS(religious group) children born in a compound in North Dakota who had a lot of trouble recording their births as teenagers. Their mother who had escaped had to swear affidavits and that kind of thing.

It can be hard to prove particularly if you are denied all paperwork as a child and may not even know your parents' official birth names. In fact some of hte parents may never have had their births registered in the first place. I suppose DNA might help if a state was proposing to throw the 16 year old out as an illegal.

Is it really going to solve the problem of those abused and under the radar though?

No I mean no questions asked about not registering at hospitals but referrals to SS if suspected abuse is flag. Health care professionals are extremely diligent about this now

Why?

It's not difficult to register your child. Why would you change rules just for that odd time someone doesnt register their child.

And if the child isnt registered, who is to say the child is who the parents claim.

What if it comes out the mother actually isnt the mother at all?

No one should be changing the law because a few people believe the birth is called birth because its connected to berthing of ships.

Registering birth doesnt stop abuse. Of course not.

Not registering and hiding the child, makes abuse far easier.

There must be a way of protecting children in these situations where parents have an ideological difference, that way there would still be some checks and later freedom for them as young adults to become part of a registered system. What I mean is a way of bringing them into the fold yet allowing certain freedoms. I understand why the law is the way it is but then how do you help children of families who are determined to fly under the radar to an extreme because of a perception of asserting freedom or otherr

Not registering and hiding the child, makes abuse far easier

This. There is no need for competitive tolerance of people breaking an actual law to register children's births.

I was home-schooled, unregistered with a GP, had no dentist, no optician, and have the teeth to prove it. And my parents would have thought not registering children's births was selfish and bonkers. At least they would have done when I was a child. (They dropped further down the conspiracy rabbit-holes as I hit adulthood.)

When the mad people who don't get their child's broken arm treated think something's mad, it's mad.

There is a much greater prevalence of these conspiracy theory rabbit holes now due to content on you tube. How will children get medical and dental treatment and support from SS? Is making families outlaws going to help in all these cases or just some and make other more extreme in their avoidance? That’s the question.

moon2 parents ideological differences do not matter in law

The law and safeguarding rules do not and can not take all our ideological views into account.

You still havent answered how a 16 year old registers themselves and can prove they are who they and their parents say they are without birth details being kept in a register.

There must be a way of protecting children in these situations where parents have an ideological difference

This isn't some argument over transubstantiation. It's a belief borne of batshittery of the highest order and needs no indulgence whatsoever.

There is a much greater prevalence of these conspiracy theory rabbit holes now due to content on you tube.

doesn't make any of them less batshit though.

Is making families outlaws going to help in all these cases or just some and make other more extreme in their avoidance? That’s the question.

Is pandering to them and turning a blind eye, because of their beliefs the right thing?

What if a parent thinks is their right to spank a child? Do we pander to that?

Or is physical abuse a step too far?

There is a much greater prevalence of these conspiracy theory rabbit holes now due to content on you tube.

Then we need to speak out against it, when we can. Posting, "keep your beak out" when people express concerns and calling them mere "ideological differences" is the opposite of that.

How will children get medical and dental treatment and support from SS?

Do you think these situations improve without intervention?

Anyway, usual steps, provided the borough has the funding to meet all their responsibilities. I think step 1 to providing a support worker to help the parents see where they're falling short as parents and identify how to improve.

If they don't have the funds or staff, then I suspect they'll leave the family to it, because no-one's being killed.

P.S. children in situations that were so bad that they got removed definitely get medical and dental care

@Proteinshakesandtears contrary to popular belief spanking to a degree to correct behaviour is allowed though I personally don’t agree with it. It’s not necessarily pandering when you look at it as not depriving children of healthcare and other
benefits simply because they are not registered. It’s a basic human right. A way of giving children who fall out of the system the help they need.
@ SerendipityJane... don’t get me started on transubstantiation. There is no point arguing that when it’s just a question of faith or lack of like most ideologies.

I better shush the mush and get on with some work, but really I think the OP could talk all these points out gently with her neighbour and give her a chance to understand all the ramifications as mentioned here before considering reporting her if she’s no sign of abuse

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