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To think most women hope for a baby girl?

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Rowennaravenclaw · 21/06/2019 20:21

I know, once the baby is here, we love them and wouldn't change them for anything, whatever their sex.

But before the baby arrives, I think that the majority of women want a daughter. If you google gender disappointment, there seem to be way more hits about wanting a girl than a boy. I think it's probably natural, seeing as we have all been little girls ourselves and so imagine them to be a known quantity, and people tend to be drawn to what is familiar. Of course it changes once the baby arrives and we get to know the special person they are.

So, controversial, but AIBU?

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bingbongnoise · 23/06/2019 11:35

People can trot out the 'daughters are no closer to their parents when they are grown than sons are' line as much as they like. But they're kidding themselves. In most cases sons will not remain closer than daughters. The fact is that in EVERY FAMILY I have ever known, the daughters are closer to the parents when they get older.

It's always the daughters who are the caregivers, and who looks after elderly parents if they need help, and the daughters always stay within striking distance of their parents. Maybe not so much when they are young (like under 25,) but as they grow older and have a family of their own, they stay closer, they contact the parents/family more, and they make a lot more effort with their parents.

Most grown sons don't give a fuck. Indeed, it is almost ALWAYS the sons wives who make the effort, buy gifts for the in-laws, arrange visits and so on. I know a bunch of women who have sons AND daughters, and in every single case, the sons don't give a shit, and it's the daughters and daughter-in-laws making the effort.

An elderly lady lives near me (87,) and she has 2 daughters and FIVE sons. The 2 daughters (both in their late 50s who have young adult children and grandchildren, and also a JOB,) are the ones who tend to her needs, running her around when she needs it, doing her shopping, paying her bills, and visiting her 3 or 4 times a week ...

The sons - all five of them in their 50s and early 60s, do FUCK ALL. And 2 of them don't even work! A couple of the daughter-in-laws make more effort with the elderly lady than her own bloody sons do.

I am not saying a person should have a daughter to run around after them when they're old, but you cannot deny the fact that it's almost ALWAYS the daughters who do stuff for the parents when they are older. Very rarely the sons. Indeed, the five sons of this particular elderly lady rarely visit. I see them there maybe once or twice a month, and that is usually to borrow something!

I also know a few women whose sons (in their 20s and 30s) have moved abroad, with no intention of ever coming back. 3 of them have a son who met a woman from another country (at uni or at work,) and they have moved to the woman's country of origin.

Yet all the daughters of the women I know have stayed in this country, and mostly within 30-50 miles of their parents. They have travelled, and lived abroad for short spells, but always come back and settled within an hour or two's drive from their parents... (usually by the age of 25/26.) Some of them live even closer - like 5-6 miles away.

Also, I know a bunch of women with (adult) daughters, and they are waaaaaay closer to them than the women I know with sons, are to their sons... They meet them for lunch, they go shopping with them, they go for meals, they go to the cinema, they go away on weekend trips with them, and they are like friends. I don't know any adult son who does this with their mother.

I know this is purely anecdotal, but it's very common for daughters to be closer to the parents than sons!! I know some women are happy to have sons, but you cannot change the fact that many women want a daughter. And when there IS gender disappointment, it is ALWAYS when it's not a girl. (In western cultures at least.) I have seen women on their 2nd or 3rd son, become severely depressed and angry and upset when it was ANOTHER BOY.

Never have I ever seen a women disappointed at having a daughter.

Also, never have I ever seen women with daughters make spiteful, vitriolic, demeaning, vile comments about boys. Which is more than can be said about some mothers of boys, who are fucking horrible about girls. And there a bunch of you on here! Shame on you. You will be relaying this hate and vitriol to your sons. God HELP any future girlfriend or wife of your sons... They will have a rough ride with your sons after the hate and poison you must be dripping into their brains about girls. Hmm

As was said earlier, I don't know if it's a defence mechanism, and the fact they are sick of being told 'aaw what a shame you don't have a daughter you must be disappointed,' or whether they deeply in denial, or whether they had a horrible relationship with their own mother, and are terrified of the same thing happening with them and any daughter they may have, but the hatred and vitriol towards girls on here is disgusting. As I said, shame on you. Hmm

As for this 'straw poll' .. it's nonsense. You can't base the feelings and desires of millions and millions of women on a couple of 1000 'votes' on a straw poll on mumsnet!' What's more, these kind of things are open to abuse (people using more than one account to vote etc...)

Herewegogoooo · 23/06/2019 11:42

You’re wrong. I expect it’s most likely to be a 50-50 split. Altho some cultures prefer boys to carry on the family name on etc.

pollysproggle · 23/06/2019 11:42

I have two boys and considering having a third child.
I really would like another boy although it doesn't matter either way but there does seem to be a consensus that women want girls or if they already have boys they're desperate to have a girl.

When I was pregnant with my second boy and knew the sex the comments already started about 'trying for a girl next time'.

There was also an air of disappointment with my family that I was having another boy.

I'm obviously happy with my boys and my family adore them but from my experience there could be some truth in it that girls are slightly more desirable!

tomtom1999xx · 23/06/2019 11:51

I think it is true that daughters remain closer to their mums as they get older, especially once they have children of their own.
Sadly, ( & I’ve seen this in my own extended family ) once boys grow up and leave home it’s out of sight out of mind.
I mean they’ll turn up at Christmas and things like that, but you can sense it’s not the same relationship the daughters have.

Sundancer77 · 23/06/2019 11:57

I’m a new Mum, but never realised there’s quite a conflict between mums of boys and mums of girls 😬

bingbongnoise · 23/06/2019 12:20

I understand that it's got to be VERY annoying to have the 'aww what a shame it's not a girl' crap when you have a boy/boys already, and it must sting if you DID want a girl.. But there is no need at ALL for all the hateful, vitriolic shit about girls that some people have posted on here. It's so nasty.

And as I said, it's the same in real life too. I have seen women with daughters (and no sons) subjected to comments (from mothers of boys only,) like 'I am GLAD I don't have girls, they are so bitchy/spiteful/nasty/hard work/spoilt etc etc.' And 'boys are soooooooo much more loving than girls!'! And similar spiteful shit from mothers of sons.

In some cases, it has emerged that they DID want a daughter, and they had just got so sick of the pity and the head-tilts at them having ANOTHER BOY, that they just developed this harsh defence mechanism, with a 'I fucking HATE girls anyway,' kind of stance.

If someone actually DOES hate girls, that is so stupid and dumb! How the fuck can anyone rule out an entire gender like this? Maybe it IS their defence mechanism kicking in, but every time I hear 'ewww, I HATE girls, horrible bitchy vile creatures ewwww, and 'no daughter could ever beat my lovely wee sons,' I just think 'YEP, you wanted a daughter didn't you?!!!' Wink

And I re-iterate, I have never heard women with no sons, (and daughters only,) saying anything nasty about boys...

Says it all really! Wink

greeneyedlulu · 23/06/2019 13:15

I'm pregnant with my second and honestly thought I was having a boy! It's a girl and I'm shocked. Disappointed would be too strong of word, I'm grateful and just wish for a healthy baby but I am feeling overwhelmed at the thought of having a girl! Not entirely sure why though.

TwinkleWings · 23/06/2019 13:31

@bingbongnoise what a load of crap. Or at least you live in a very narrow part of society.

I know many people who are closer to sons in adulthood. Many who are closer to daughters. I'd say it was near as damn 50/50 split.

I have also experience bitchiness from mothers of daughters about being a mother of sons.

What you're trotting out there is sexist bullshit which has clearly been perpetuated by these families.

Why the pitching mothers of sons against mothers of daughters??? Does it make you feel better? Most people are just fucking happy with their children. End of.

But I hope you feel better telling some one like me, who would have been completely happy with whatever sex of child that I got but happened to have boys who I absolutely adore and have a wonderful relationship with that they and I quote "will not give a fuck" about me when they're adults.

TwinkleWings · 23/06/2019 13:36

Also, never have I ever seen women with daughters make spiteful, vitriolic, demeaning, vile comments about boys.

^^
And the absolute irony of this comment. Because this is exactly the sort of shit I get from people.

I have three healthy, loving children who happen to be boys. And guess what!?? I'm MASSIVELY content with them

Thertruthisoutwhere · 23/06/2019 14:31

DH really wants a boy for dc2 (have a DS already so think he wants a rugby team!). I dont know which i would prefer - healthy is the main hope. But them again im not into the whole insta perfect matchy matchy thing so just a fun, happy child would be ideal!

Lizzielocket · 23/06/2019 14:34

First pregnancy I hoped for a boy, I had a girl was slightly disappointed, I really believed the baby would be a boy.
Second pregnancy I hoped for a boy and got one.
If I got pregnant again I’d like a girl although at my age I would be grateful for a healthy baby whatever sex.

drspouse · 23/06/2019 14:35

I did think that it would be easier to avoid sexist crap with a boy, how wrong I was.

Aquilla · 23/06/2019 14:39

I would say so, yes.

MrsMiggins37 · 23/06/2019 14:45

What a lot of complete shite bingbongnoise! It’s actually quite amusing that you’ve convinced yourself that rubbish is true.

Sundancer77 · 23/06/2019 14:53

@AliasGrape I was exactly the same as you, we struggled for years so would’ve been over the moon with either gender, but I secretly had always hoped for a girl..not for all the girly, pink stuff either-I’m not into all of that.
Good luck, keep hope that it will happen for you x

Hisashiburi · 23/06/2019 15:07

Yanbu. I have two boys and the amount of times I hear "are you disappointed?" Is frankly insulting. I love my boys as I would do a girls or girl/boy.
If we think about logically on here though, most people posting on here are women so I don't know if men feel the other way around? I think everyone needs to be grateful for their healthy children to be honest.
I feel so so sorry for children whose parents were hoping they'd be a different sex and also think if they had been trying for a girl and they didn't live up to their parents expectations of closeness/ caring responsibilities, would they be resentful?!

CobaltRose96 · 23/06/2019 15:08

I wasn’t fussed either way. Got a girl, though.

CreekyBeaky · 23/06/2019 15:13

Yes I think YABU. I actively wanted a son and was delighted when we had a boy. I have a dreadful relationship with my controlling and manipulative mother and have no idea how a proper mother daughter relationship works. I spent the first 20 weeks of my pregnancy really worried that if I had a daughter I’d somehow perpetuate the awful dynamic.

2eternities · 23/06/2019 16:27

I definitely wouldn't say boys don't give a fuck when they grow up, just that they tend to be less 'involved' in adulthood. Two examples I can think of is with my in laws, for fathers day it will be the two daughters who organise or cook a meal for their dad on the day, whetheras the sons will simply text or call to say happy fathers day. Or like MIL will have long deep phone conversations with her DDs but the ones with her sons are more surface stuff, small talk. I have no brothers so can't comment in my family but my aunt has one son and me and my sisters provide a lot of her emotional support, long conversations etc it just seems to be different, again my cousin is mostly busy with his girlfriend and mates like BiLs are.

2eternities · 23/06/2019 16:37

And I have both and find DS easier so no agenda but I have sometimes felt sad like I will lose him more than I will lose DD when they become men and women. I so hope not and have no idea why I sometimes feel like that. For now though he's my squishy boy and that's all that matters.

solargain · 23/06/2019 16:59

@bingbongnoise wins cuntiest post of the day award. Star

BenWillbondsPants · 23/06/2019 17:42

ewww, I HATE girls, horrible bitchy vile creatures ewwww, and 'no daughter could ever beat my lovely wee sons,' I just think 'YEP, you wanted a daughter didn't you?!!!'

Well, aren't you quite the charmer ...

I've never heard anyone say anything remotely like that. I suggest you change the company you keep.

Ginger1982 · 23/06/2019 20:21

@bingbongnoise what a load of nonsense!

helloooomeee · 23/06/2019 20:24

I always imagined myself with 2 boys. As it turned out I've got 4 boys and apart from feeling like there are not enough hands for hours in the day I couldn't be happier about it.

gingerbiscuits · 23/06/2019 20:27

Based on what?? Just your opinion?? Must be fact then. Ridiculous statement to make.