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Are we ok with our soon to be PM being involved in a domestic 'argument'?

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Totur · 21/06/2019 19:55

Enough to prompt a neighbour to call police?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

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Dapplegrey · 24/06/2019 14:03

Obviously, his spin team did a better job than Boris' minders.

The media was less intrusive in those days. Lots of politicians’ private lives wouldn’t have stood much scrutiny.

Alsohuman · 24/06/2019 14:05

No social media in Lloyd George’s day. And of course women knew their place then.

MargotsFlounceyBlouse · 24/06/2019 14:12

[Some] rich and powerful people are above the law. Always have been. It's that simple really.

Rumboogie · 24/06/2019 14:23

The Max Hastings 2012 article on BJ linked to by a PP was interesting and true, I thought. However, sadly, I think that much the same is also true, if less flamboyantly, of most politicians today, of whatever political stripe.
I was watching some archive programs from the 1980's and early 90's recently, which reminded me of the politicians of those eras. They all, without exception, imo, had much more gravitas, life experience, political experience and coviction than politicians currently. Ours nowadays are jumped - up nobodys by comparison.

Peregrina · 24/06/2019 15:06

Also, these same neighbours, some time previously, when greeted in a freindly way by BJ on the doorstep, gave him two fingers.

Well if what we have read about him just parking where he likes and getting ticketed for it and ignoring the tickets, maybe they were already p*** off with him.

The Tory party has chosen the wrong two candidates, imo.

Seeing that they had such a high calibre of candidates to chose from!

StoneofDestiny · 24/06/2019 16:01

these same neighbours, some time previously, when greeted in a freindly way by BJ on the doorstep, gave him two fingers

Would this be a return of the two fingers he gives to the general voting public every day

the general hoo-haa were a set-up by their leftie, Boris -hating neighbours

....think it was just Boris and his latest fling that were in the row that disturbed the neighbourhood and led to a police call out. Neighbours from hell I think they are generally called.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 16:17

@Rumboogie

John Stonehouse
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John Stonehouse
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Minister of Posts and Telecommunications
In office
1 October 1969 – 19 June 1970
Prime Minister Harold Wilson
Preceded by Himself (Postmaster General)
Succeeded by Christopher Chataway
Postmaster General
In office
1 July 1968 – 1 October 1969
Prime Minister Harold Wilson
Preceded by Roy Mason
Succeeded by Position abolished
Himself (Minister of Posts and Telecommunications)
William Hall, 2nd Viscount Hall (Chairman of the Post Office)
Member of Parliament
for Walsall North
In office
28 February 1974 – 27 August 1976
Preceded by William Wells
Succeeded by Robin Hodgson
Member of Parliament
for Wednesbury
In office
28 February 1957 – 28 February 1974
Preceded by Stanley Evans
Succeeded by Constituency abolished
Personal details
Born John Thomson Stonehouse

28 July 1925
Southampton, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Died 14 April 1988 (aged 62)
Southampton, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Political party Labour Co-operative (before 1981)
Other political
affiliations Liberal Democrats (1988)
Social Democratic (1981–88) English National Party (1976)
Spouse(s) Barbara Smith
(m. 1948; div. 1978)

Sheila Buckley
(m. 1981; death 1988)
Children 4
Alma mater London School of Economics

John Thomson Stonehouse (28 July 1925 – 14 April 1988) was a British Labour and Co-operative Party politician and junior minister under Harold Wilson. Stonehouse is remembered for his unsuccessful attempt at faking his own death in 1974.

More than twenty years after his death, it was publicly revealed that he had been an agent for the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic military intelligence. In 1979, the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, and top cabinet members learned from a Czech defector that Stonehouse had been a paid Czech spy since 1962. He had provided secrets about government plans as well as technical information about aircraft, and received about £5,000. He was already in prison for fraud and the government decided there was insufficient evidence to bring to trial, so no announcement or prosecution was made

Faking his own death

Stonehouse maintained the pretence of normality until he faked his death on 20 November 1974, leaving a pile of clothes on a beach in Miami. It appeared that he had gone swimming, and had been drowned or possibly killed by a shark. He was presumed dead, and obituaries were published despite the fact that no corpse had been found. In reality, he was en route to Australia, hoping to set up a new life with his mistress and secretary, Sheila Buckley.

Using false identities, Stonehouse set about transferring large sums of money between banks as a further means of covering his tracks. Under the name of Clive Mildoon, he deposited $21,500 in cash at the Bank of New Zealand. The teller who handled the money later spotted "Mildoon" at the Bank of New South Wales. Inquiries led the teller to learn that the money was in the name of Joe Markham and he informed the local police. Stonehouse spent a while in Copenhagen with Sheila Buckley, but later returned to Australia, unaware that he was now under surveillance. The police initially suspected him of being Lord Lucan, who had disappeared two weeks before Stonehouse; following the murder of his children's nanny, Sandra Rivett. Investigators noted that the suspect was reading British newspapers that also included stories attacking the "recently deceased" John Stonehouse. They contacted Scotland Yard, requesting pictures of both Lucan and Stonehouse. On his arrest, the police instructed him to pull down his trousers so they could be sure whether or not he was Lord Lucan, who had a six-inch scar on the inside of his right thigh

Stonehouse was arrested on 24 December 1974.[12] He applied for the position of Steward and Bailiff of the Chiltern Hundreds while still in Australia (one of the ways for an MP to resign), but decided not to sign the papers. Six months after he was arrested, he was deported to the UK; he had tried to obtain offers of asylum from Sweden or Mauritius. He was remanded in Brixton Prison until August 1975 when he was released and put on bail. He continued to serve as an MP. Although unhappy with the situation, the Labour Party did not expel him.

Stonehouse conducted his own defence on 21 charges of fraud, theft, forgery, conspiracy to defraud, causing a false police investigation and wasting police time. His trial lasted 68 days. On 14 July 1976, it was revealed in court that Stonehouse had an IQ of 140.[13] On 6 August 1976, he was convicted and sentenced to seven years in prison for fraud.[14]

On 4 April 1976 Stonehouse attended a St George's Day festival hosted by the English National Party and confirmed he had joined the party, making Labour a minority government. He agreed to resign as a Privy Counsellor on 17 August 1976,[15] becoming one of only three people to resign from the Privy Council in the 20th century. Stonehouse tendered his resignation from the House of Commons on 27 August 1976.[16] The subsequent by-election was won by Robin Hodgson, a Conservative. In October 1976, Stonehouse was declared bankrupt.

Stonehouse was imprisoned in HM Prison Wormwood Scrubs. On 30 June 1977, the House of Lords refused him appeal against five of the charges of which he was convicted. Whilst in prison, he complained that the prison workshop where he worked played pop music on the radio station. When his health deteriorated, he was moved to Blundeston Prison. On 14 August 1979, he was released early from prison because of good behaviour and because he had suffered three heart attacks; the first on 18 April 1977; he had a second one four days later and a massive heart attack on 13 August 1978. He underwent open heart surgery on 7 November 1978.[citation needed]

From January 1980, Stonehouse was a volunteer fundraiser for the East London-based charity, Community Links. He joined the SDP, which later amalgamated with the Liberal Party to become the Liberal Democrats. In June 1980, he was discharged from bankruptcy. Stonehouse wrote three novels, and made TV appearances and radio broadcasts during the rest of his life, mostly in connection with discussing his disappearance. In December 1986 he appeared on the radio interview programme In The Psychiatrist's Chair with Anthony Clare. In September 1985, he started a small business which manufactured electronic and hotel safes called Guestguard. It existed up to his death

Stonehouse married Barbara Joan Smith in 1948, and they had two daughters, Jane and Julia, and a son, Mathew. After their divorce in 1978, Stonehouse married his mistress, Sheila Elizabeth Buckley, in Hampshire on 31 January 1981. In December 1982 their son James William John was born.
Actual death
On 25 March 1988, Stonehouse abruptly collapsed on set during an edition of Central Weekend in Birmingham during the filming of a programme about missing people. He was given emergency medical treatment at the studio and an ambulance was called. He was kept in the city's general hospital overnight after tests. Just under three weeks later, he suffered a heart attack at his house at Dales Way, Totton, where he had moved six months earlier, having lived in London since his release from prison,[18] and died in hospital at 2.30 am on 14 April 1988. He was cremated in Bassett Green, Southampton on 22 April 1988.[19] In 1989, his fourth novel was published posthumously.

Rumboogie · 24/06/2019 17:06

And?

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 17:11

It was all over the media at the time and even mentioned by comedian Dave Allen so i was just pointing it out to show the media hasnt changed that much.

Rumboogie · 24/06/2019 17:26

@HelenaDove
So what is your point re my post. I did not mention the media and if you are trying to say there have always been scumbags - well, yes, but that is also irrelevant.

GrouchoMrx · 24/06/2019 18:39

justasking111 Mon 24-Jun-19 13:37:21
My italian friend, shouts, throws things, she says it is because she is so passionate about things, her OH just ducks. I would wonder if her neighbours taped her what they would think. Thank goodness she is in a detached home.

Thank goodness she is not running for PM because she obviously does not have the temperament for the position.

Peregrina · 24/06/2019 23:03

Yes the Stonehouse affair was a big scandal at the time. As was the Jeremy Thorpe business, about which the BBC did a good couple of programmes a short while ago.

Neither of these people aspired to be PM at a time of great upheaval in the country.

Just imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had been having a blazing row with his wife, which could be heard by all the neighbours. It wouldn't be oh that's just lovable Jeremy.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 23:06

YY @Peregrina it wouldnt be.

HelenaDove · 24/06/2019 23:10

Its worse with BJ because he aspires to be PM

I dont think Stonehouse did but it does sound like he was a security risk too re. paid Czech spy.

Peregrina · 24/06/2019 23:14

Stonehouse was the postmaster general who introduced first and second class stamps. Just a useless little detail dredged out of my memory.

AlaskanOilBaron · 25/06/2019 06:54

Just imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had been having a blazing row with his wife, which could be heard by all the neighbours. It wouldn't be oh that's just lovable Jeremy.

Imagine if Corbyn had a row, allegedly blazing, recorded by his Tory activist neighbours and released to the Telegraph.

BertrandRussell · 25/06/2019 07:37

As a Labour voter, I would welcome any evidence that Corbyn is actually still alive, to be frank.....

StoneofDestiny · 25/06/2019 08:04

As a Labour voter, I would welcome any evidence that Corbyn is actually still alive, to be frank
😂😂

AlaskanOilBaron · 25/06/2019 08:41

Hard to imagine he's the fella who spent a summer motorcycling around Europe with Diane Abbot. Glitterball

GoFiguire · 25/06/2019 08:50

What I don’t understand is that Boris campaigned to Leave, so why didn’t he Leave her flat when she asked him to?

BertrandRussell · 25/06/2019 08:52

“Hard to imagine he's the fella who spent a summer motorcycling around Europe with Diane Abbot.“

Why is that hard to imagine?

Chloemol · 25/06/2019 09:23

I am reading the comments here with total disbelief. Let’s not forget you will all have had shouting matches with your partners if lots of other posts are anything to go by, as will lots of others MPs and families, in fact hundreds of thousands of us. You seriously think other PMs in the past have not had rows. The police have confirmed nothing serious took place, the neighbours have had their two minutes of shitstirring fame, and let’s not forget when the man who was interviews by the left wing, undemocratic BBC he admitted it was his wife who heard everything. Not defending Boris, or his personal relationship history, am a bit ambivalent about him just that this is blown out of all proportion

Peregrina · 25/06/2019 09:35

Imagine if Corbyn had a row, allegedly blazing, recorded by his Tory activist neighbours and released to the Telegraph.

They would love it, and so would their commentators. It would bring out the very worst of the hang em and flog em brigade.

You can't believe it Choemol? I have been married more than 40 years. Yes, I have had rows with DH, but the Police have never been called in that time. Nor have we made such a row that the neighbours have knocked on the door, whether to see if we are alright or tell us to put a sock in it. Nor do we block the neighbours car parking spaces.

Oh, and neither of us aspired to be PM or a Party Leader and know that people in the public eye come under scrutiny.

BertrandRussell · 25/06/2019 09:42

I’ve never had a shouting match with my DP. But if I had, and for some reason I was interviewed about it on the telly, I would say that yes, it was very embarrassing, drink had been taken, huge apologies to the neighbours for disturbing them, all forgiven and made up now, partner is a positive saint for putting up with all the stress, lovely big grovel present on the way - now what were you asking me about the withdrawal agreement?

Alsohuman · 25/06/2019 09:44

We don’t have shouting matches, it’s not how we behave. In the 20 years we’ve lived in our house the police haven’t visited any of our neighbours because of a row either.