you see THIS was a chav

[Twiglett]

on Sunday went to a local country fair

was watching a bloke with no shirt, tattoos and baseball cap and bad teeth play with his 8 year old and 12 year old

they were chucking hay from the hay bales over each other

saw another bloke point to his little girl, of about 18 months, and say something (couldn't hear what but assume asking him to be careful)

Chav proceeded to f' and blind and scream at the father for about 5 minutes, gesticulating wildly whilst his children looked on with gleeful laughter

father and toddler with mother and slightly older child just got up and left

chav, disgusting foul bloke, ruining it for everyone

we left

crocs aren't chav - but the nasty rip off ones they sell at the market are.

and boden only ever sells minging clothes.....minging is also top chav term btw.

By labelling him a Chav, you are labelling his social status rather than his behaviour.

I would hope it was his behaviour you were objecting to.

Ow

whats wrong with fruit shoots?

becuase it is lazy. It perpetuates the myth that what you consider to be the right definition - is the definition.

when actually what is actually the result of perpetuating this insult is that people use it as a term for the working class.

it is biased and wrong.

bad behaviour, rudeness and being crass are not the terms only used for working class people.

obviously.

Gosh there ARE an awful lot of high horses being climbed on here.

Well he most probably was a disgusting, dirty, foul mouthed chav by the sounds of things.
What's the bleeding point in trying to disprove something by giving examples of chavs that don't behave like this?
It doesn't make th op untrue fgs.

well I didn't bring up the 'class' term

he was scum .. and chav in my book is a synonym for scum

and whilst I didn't hear what the father said to him it looked, by gestures, fairly mild

and playing with his kids?? ... teaching them that ranting and swearing at other people was something amusing because 'dad is hard'

scum ..

did you know ... chav is vahc backwards?

unbelievable, I know!

ahhh but even more interesting is that scum is mucs

dear god - that one passed right by me... just goes to show now doesn't it!

Feel free to attack him for his behaviour but the word you are choosing has class connotations and that is not what I hope you meant.

Chav is a way of keeping the working classesd down and mocking them for wanting better or different from what what the middle classes see as being appropriate. Burberry is a case in point, Burberry was "ruined" at the point that the working classes started wearing it making it chavvy.

Actually I am not sure about the ruining of Burberry...Burberry was is a very bad way long before the chavs came along.

I'm wondering whether I can be arsed to enter a semantic argument

and

nope

I've got a burberry coat .. I still wear it

it doesn't have any check pattern on it though .. its just blue gaberdiney style

and I love it

semantic argument comin' up

"Chav is a derogatory slang term in popular usage throughout the UK. It refers to a subculture stereotype of a person who is uneducated, uncultured and prone to antisocial or immoral behaviour. The label is typically, though not exclusively, applied to teenagers and young adults of white working-class or lower-middle class origin. Chav is used for both sexes, where a male chav is sometimes referred to as a chavster and a female as a chavette"

"Ds has both chelsea and Arsenal strips."

how weird.

I really feel sorry for posters like Twiglett - getting chastised for being judgemental - correct me if I'm wrong but isn't being judgemental one of the essences of MN?

No, Burberry was ruined (not that it had much going for it in the first place) when people with tons of loot and no taste started bedecking themselves and their horrible little dogs in it from head to foot, thus rendering it crass and ridiculous.

I'm not a fan of the word chav either, but I don't think Twiglett is referring to the "working class" here. She is talking about a thick-witted ugly odious dinosaur who behaved disgustingly in front of his children. There are plenty of well-off scumbags too - Jordan and Peter Andre to name but two. They're not working class. Working class people work.

awww auntyspan .. that's nice

don't worry 'bout me though .. I'm dead hard

and I'm also actually really rather judgemental .. I revel in it .. it gives me much joy

So with Twiggs opening post and her definition he was a chav

Yes AS, but you must then be prepared to be judged by those who know better

Such is life

well you see I have uncovered my inherrent chavviness if thinking that burberry was the most desirable of labels.

in that case MNetters - judge away!!