you see THIS was a chav

[Twiglett]

on Sunday went to a local country fair

was watching a bloke with no shirt, tattoos and baseball cap and bad teeth play with his 8 year old and 12 year old

they were chucking hay from the hay bales over each other

saw another bloke point to his little girl, of about 18 months, and say something (couldn't hear what but assume asking him to be careful)

Chav proceeded to f' and blind and scream at the father for about 5 minutes, gesticulating wildly whilst his children looked on with gleeful laughter

father and toddler with mother and slightly older child just got up and left

chav, disgusting foul bloke, ruining it for everyone

we left

I am working class and I would describe this gentleman as an Arsehole

I must be very un PC as I don't find the term chav offensive. But then I don't link it to an underground movement whose sole aim is to rid the world of the working classes by inventing a malicious acronym.

Twig, like you I would of made like the wind and hightailed it out of there.

no it didn't custy .. and it was the first definition that came up on google

it said primarily "It refers to a subculture stereotype of a person who is uneducated, uncultured and prone to antisocial or immoral behaviour" .. then it went on to say that it was typically but not exclusively relating to working class

what is confusing about that? I took that to mean that some people adopt it as an insult against working classes ..

anyway I'm having a brownie crisis ... off to start another thread

semantic argument comin' up

"Chav is a derogatory slang term in popular usage throughout the UK. It refers to a subculture stereotype of a person who is uneducated, uncultured and prone to antisocial or immoral behaviour. The label is typically, though not exclusively, applied to teenagers and young adults of white working-class or lower-middle class origin. Chav is used for both sexes, where a male chav is sometimes referred to as a chavster and a female as a chavette"

By Twiglett on Wed 25-Jul-07 13:09:37

The Quote wasn't sourced so i don't know where you got it from

www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GEUA,GEUA:2006-07,GEUA:en&q=define%3a chav

but custy the sentence is "The label is typically, though not exclusively, applied to teenagers and young adults of white working-class or lower-middle class origin."

I don't understand how you can focus on the class element of the sentence whilst ignoring the context which says 'typically though not exclusively'

anyhoo just seen its a wiki definition and wiki is no proof of anything

yeah fuck it

Feel a bit trembly as I normally post on jam-making threads .....

But he sounds like a ned, a word I much prefer to chav. Though, I do tend to think of ned as referring to someone under 25 whereas I don't see chav as being age specific.

Was there really a country fair in Lambeth?

What is a 'ned' exactly?

It's used in Scotland and is supposed to mean non-educated delinquent. It's a bit like the Scottish equivalent of chav but has been around for much longer in common parlance.

'Feel a bit trembly as I normally post on jam-making threads'

made me smile

just on the whole chav/class issue. why do you think that such anti-social behaviour is more prevelant (or at least portrayed that way) in working class areas?
just interested in peoples theories.

What's your theory, theman? Or do you only answer questions with questions?

Deux - the word chav isn't new. I first came across it over 30 years ago!

The word had/has a different meaning and is is/was only really used in parts of SE England

Dh has tatoo's and has been known to take his shirt off, has bad teeth, chucking hey sounds fun , dh does'nt swear in public or at the kids.

I have tatoo's, don't wear boden (well i have one top which was 2nd hand)

The person you described Twiglet sounds like 75% of people living in my area, most of them work and own their own homes. Are they all Chav's?

Am i a chav?

Does anyone care?

Digression here ... Fair sounds fab. Did they have a jam competition? Am concerned that I missed an opportunity.....

Not really Marne.

Other than Twiggs of course

my theory? i'm not sure really i'd imagine it is a combination of bad stereotypes which for some ring through. with regards council estates or authority houseing i'd imagine the lack of real ownership could lead to a lack of respect for the surrounding property in some people. the fact that things like drug dealing or criminal activity are the quickest way to make cash in some of these areas mean that the thug/gangster image might be glamourised.in america i know they say the ghettos suffered hugely from single mums having to work all day in low income jobs leaving the kids largely unsupervised. i'm not sure really, i was hoping others might be able to inform me from personal experience or other wise. the one thing i really can't accept is the whole "there's nothing for us to do around here" that teenage gurriers in ireland so often level at the government as way of an excuse for drinking on the street and joy riding.

LOL at the cacti at the country fair

Was it a Country & Western Fair?

Its a behaviour thing not a class thing. I have experienced terrible "chav" type behaviour from very posh people whilst on holiday. Guess they are called "rahs" or "hooray henries"?!

I have (in my head only) referred to our neighbours as chavs. They are loud, rude, have family fist fights in the street and all claim benefit whilst being quite able to work. They have big fighting dogs that they let fight in the street and when my DH politely asks them to desist he is told to f off. Dont think they are working class. Thought working class people work and have decent values (some of my family members are I guess). Would say our neighbours are an underclass.