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To think that people are weird about non-drivers?

432 replies

HennyPennyHorror · 18/06/2019 13:40

I don't want to learn to drive. I'm mid-40s and just don't want to. Never have.

I catch trains and buses and ride a bike. It's never been an issue for me. My DH works for himself and so he's always been the one to take DC to their friend's parties etc.

He likes doing it...if he didn't I suppose I'd need to reconsider.

People look at me like I'm weird because I don't want to drive. You also see it here. A sort of irritation regarding those who can't drive.

The thought scares me frankly and I'm aware that I'd only be adding to pollution. I never ask anyone for a lift. I just get on with it.

OP posts:
EmeraldShamrock · 23/06/2019 04:20

I haven't rtft for fear of feeling worthless by the end.
I don't drive, I don't have the confidence, I have DCD ADD, I am in 0.5 percent for balance and coordination it fecks up my processing, I still have to check my hands every time for left or right it doesn't come natural to my mind.
Luckily I live in a built up area lots of public transport, amenities in walking distance. It definitely has a negative effect on my life, the positive is it keeps me fit.

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 23/06/2019 06:01

Unfortunately people judge on the overall trends. Almost all the non drivers I know share several irritating features & I am guilty of judging on this.

Asking for lifts (hmm no. Pay for a car & driving lessons). This is the MOST annoying feature. For some reason lots of people who do this seem to think it's ok to also try and dictate timing etc. I'm not a taxi.

Being very bound by public transport timetables & long travel times - eg refusing to ever pay peak fares but having an hour long journey to travel 15 miles so never wanting to meet before 11am.

Limiting choice of meet up locations as based on where is easier/quicker due to non direct bus routes, train station locations.

Expecting me to always go to their house rather than the reverse, because "you drive".

Often not being able to help others/do favours at short notice eg in a friendship group it's not unusual to occasionally offer to help a friend who's poorly by collecting their kids, or to give someone a lift to a garage when their car breaks down. People who rely on public transport are often less able to reciprocate favours, especially in emergencies/short notice.

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 23/06/2019 06:52

Nb also..... London doesn't count. I lived there for 8 years with no car (I did have a license etc & could have afforded one) - it's genuinely exceptional in terms of local, national and international transport connections.

I find it interesting that many of the people who happily live without driving have never had a license. My car free acquantainces fall into 2 groups - those who can drive and have before, and those who have never driven. Those who have driven before moan that they wish they had a car and find limitations with managing without. One friend who had never driven subsequently decided to learn when she moved away from family and within months could not believe how much easier her life was with a car. Not true for everyone, very much depends on location etc but of course you don't miss what you never had....

53rdWay · 23/06/2019 07:50

or to give someone a lift to a garage when their car breaks down.

Wait, I thought asking for lifts was ‘the MOST annoying feature’ of non-drivers? Get a taxi to the garage.

StillCoughingandLaughing · 23/06/2019 07:53

Driving is an absolutely fundamental life skill.

A massive exaggeration. If it was that fundamental, how would so many millions get on perfectly well without doing it?

You are limiting options so much by not being a driver

But no one has limitless options. Do you speak any language other than English? If not, aren’t you limiting your options to live and work abroad? If you train in one discipline, you automatically limit your options to work in another. Life isn’t a giant pick ‘n’ mix counter.

OK so you live on London but what happens if you want to rent a country holiday cottage, hire a car abroad, hire a van to move stuff.

I hired a lovely cottage in Ludlow a few years ago. Just over an hour on the train from Birmingham, ten minutes’ walk from the station; a combination of beautiful scenery and amenities nearby.

As for going abroad, I’ve been four times this year, which I’d wager is higher than average. Everywhere I’ve been it’s been easy to get around without a car. There are thousands of beautiful places worldwide where a car is unnecessary. Most people only get a limited amount of annual leave. Would you really spend a fortune on learning to drive just in case you decided you absolutely had to spend one of your two or three holidays a year (for example) in somewhere utterly remote?

What if a great opportunity comes up not in London.

Great opportunities just ‘coming up’ is rare. I can’t speak for everyone, but it would have to be really great for me to uproot myself, regardless of car ownership. Also, if you work in London in the kind of industry where you’re likely to get headhunted, great opportunities outside London are likely to be in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Glasgow... not Wells-Next-the-Sea or Aberdovey. It is possible to get around other major cities without driving.

In any case, surely if the opportunity is so great that I want to relocate to take it, I can build the location of the company into my house search? Also, not learning to drive is not an irreversible decision. What’s to stop me beginning lessons once I’ve accepted the job?

What if your driving partner can't anymore?

Again, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’d never live somewhere where I was reliant on my partner to drive me - any more than I would rely on a partner to cook or clean.

As for the poster saying when they organise meet up with friends they are always pressed onto accepting a lift, don't you get you are restricting where you can meet up because they have to think about you and your public transport?

You mean sometimes people have to - shock horror - think about people other than themselves?!?! ShockShockShock

There’s ALWAYS a restriction when choosing somewhere for a group to meet up. Even if everyone drives, it might be a 10-minute drive for one person and a 30-minute drive for another. What if the driver is the minority in the group and the non-drivers feel they can’t suggest somewhere with limited or expensive parking options?

What do you do in other scenarios? If you have a vegetarian friend, do you resent them because you ‘have to think’ about food options for them when choosing a restaurant? Do you find it restricting if friends with children don’t want to meet up more than 30 minutes away because it means paying for an extra hour’s babysitting?

I regard it has a parents duty in raising a child to be a functioning adult to make sure they learn to drive

My dad was like you. Obsessed with the idea that I had to learn the minute I turned 17. I gave in, was useless and hated every second. He wasted his money and I wasted my time.

I look back now and realise he was also obsessed with a big house in the suburbs and then retiring to the middle of nowhere. His ideal required a car; mine is different and doesn’t.

53rdWay · 23/06/2019 07:59

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’d never live somewhere where I was reliant on my partner to drive me

When we moved out of a city I was amazed by the number of people who suggested moving to places where you really need a car, because “[your DH] could get a car!” Yes and then I’d be relying on him any time I wanted to go anywhere! That would be bloody miserable.

StillCoughingandLaughing · 23/06/2019 08:08

or to give someone a lift to a garage when their car breaks down.

If my bus breaks down, I wait a few minutes for the next one. If your car breaks down, you need someone else to give you a lift to the garage. Remind me which of us is self-reliant?

NeverSayFreelance · 23/06/2019 08:42

I feel this. I did learn to drive, but after repeatedly failing my test I ran out of money and patience. I hated driving, and I'm sure that contributed to my failure. I know driving is a useful skill - especially since I am not in a big city - but I just hate it. One day I'll sit my test again, but for now I'm quite content on the bus/train. But yeah, people are incredibly judgey when they realise I don't drive. I always remind them that I can drive - I just need to have someone with me who is qualified to sit with a learner Grin

BatShitGirl · 23/06/2019 08:51

I don’t drive because the thought terrifies me. I never ask for lifts, even if I know someone is going the same way as me. Despite this, people are obsessed with asking me when I’m going to learn and insist I have no “freedom”. Pisses me right off Sad

lotusbell · 23/06/2019 08:58

@HennyPennyHorror, this is me too! I was forced into lessons at 17 and hated it, so gave them up. I don't want to learn as, as well as the pollution issue, i resent the cost implications. My OH is obsessed with cars, has 2 and is constantly fixing them. He is also a bus driver so myself and DS12 have a staff pass so costs us nothing to travel to school and work. However, I would love to be able to just go somewhere at the drop of a hat and not have to rely on not always reliable public transport. My son would also love it. My dad is widowed and has had some health issues and I've felt upset and guilty that I've had to rely on OH when it comes to things like that. I'm 39. I dont want to drive, would hate learning but feel I should, for the people in my life?

Figmentofmyimagination · 23/06/2019 10:44

It’s about priorities. In England, we prioritise the individual - like the US - we feel entitled to our individual gas-guzzling cars, and we have built our entire society, outside London, around this model. It doesn’t have to be like this. We could have shared collectivo taxis with fixed routes, small ‘hail’ buses, hop on hop off double deckers, a proper cycle network.....

I can’t drive because my long distance vision is too poor. The sense of institutional entitlement among car drivers is understandable, because this is the society we have built so it is all they are used to,, but it is not great frankly.

gamerwidow · 23/06/2019 10:59

I find people who deliberately move to places with no public transport far far weirder than people who don’t drive.
100% agree with this and it’s a shit thing to do to kids.
I would have hated being a teen and having to rely on my parents taking me somewhere if I wanted to go out.
It’s limiting and restricting for kids not to be able to hop on a bus to go into town or wherever and see their mates.

BullBullBull · 23/06/2019 11:03

I don’t get this.
On other threads people are going on about the environment. We are destroying the planet, we must reduce pollution or the planet will be gone in 50 years.
On this thread, you must learn to drive or you’re a CF who will ask for lifts all the time. Can you imagine what it would be like if everyone drove?
We can’t be preaching about the environment in one thread then attacking people for not driving in another

gamerwidow · 23/06/2019 11:21

BullBullBull MN aren’t one homogenous group there are loads of issues we’re completely divided on.

Figmentofmyimagination · 23/06/2019 11:47

Coincidentally, George Mombiot is hitting the nail on the head about cars today -

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/20/cars-cities-land-rover-pollution-urban-spaces?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

StillCoughingandLaughing · 23/06/2019 11:59

On other threads people are going on about the environment. We are destroying the planet, we must reduce pollution or the planet will be gone in 50 years. On this thread, you must learn to drive or you’re a CF who will ask for lifts all the time.

If someone posted that she and two friends were all taking their cars to the same event, she’d be slated for not thinking about the environment and car sharing. If, in the same scenario, one of the friends was a non-driver getting a lift, she’d be dubbed a ‘CF’ for expecting to be ‘ferried around’.

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 23/06/2019 18:34

Wow, he really doesn’t like cars, does he?

MrsItsNoworNotatAll1 · 23/06/2019 19:08

Haven't read all the thread but I don't drive and I'm in my late 40's. I've had people tell I need to learn but unless they're stumping up the cash to pay for the lessons it aint happening. I manage just fine walking or using public transport. Besides I'd be too scared to learn now. There's far too much traffic on the roads without me joining it.

Ladylimpet · 23/06/2019 19:32

I'm finding some comments on here hilarious!
I passed my test at 35.. just because I could afford it then really, no other reason. I can honestly say, there is nothing I do now, which I couldn't do when I didn't drive.
I know quite a few people who don't drive for lots of reasons, and I've never encountered anyone thinking it's weird. In fact, it's only on mn I've discovered people find it weird.
I find it all very strange.

MamaFlintstone · 23/06/2019 19:39

I don’t drive and I’m a perfectly capable individual in every other aspect of my life. I get myself around on public transport quite easily, while people are whinging about being stuck in traffic, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they are the traffic. If I lived in some bullshit commuter belt place where I needed to, I probably would have learned by now, but I don’t, so I haven’t and it doesnt affect my (or anyone else’s) life detrimentally. In fact it probably improves it in terms of my health, I’m naturally lazy so walking and cycling makes up most of my exercise.

user1471590586 · 25/06/2019 15:01

Anyone spotted this post yet www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3621140-Giving-a-friend-regular-lifts?pg=4&order= sounds like this person is trying to get her to give regular lifts.

user1471590586 · 25/06/2019 15:02

When I say "this person" I don't mean the op on this thread.

DannyWallace · 25/06/2019 15:19

I don't care at all if someone wants to drive or not. I waited until my mid 20s to start lesson and was in a professional job for a while using public transport (happily).
However, one thing that annoys me a bit is I have a friend who doesn't drive. She uses public transport happily....until we meet up. Then I always have to pick her up and drop her off, even though she lives at the other end of town to me. Well, I know I don't HAVE to, but i don't really feel like I can say no.

Apart from that, I genuinely don't think the non driving thing is an issue x

fedup21 · 25/06/2019 17:30

owever, one thing that annoys me a bit is I have a friend who doesn't drive. She uses public transport happily....until we meet up. Then I always have to pick her up and drop her off, even though she lives at the other end of town to me. Well, I know I don't HAVE to, but i don't really feel like I can say no.

But why? I just don’t offer lifts to people who expect them.

Why can’t you say-I’ve got a few bits to do, so I’ll meet you there.

DannyWallace · 25/06/2019 21:33

@fedup21 then she won't want to meet up. I'm distancing myself a bit from her because of it. Well...not distancing, but I'm inviting her to mine and telling her I can't do lifts. Or saying let's just meet somewhere as I'm not driving as I want a drink. She's come to mine once in 5 months (when we would previously meet up once a week or so). I'm on a direct bus route from her house and work.