To think Jo Brand should be allowed to joke about anything and everything?

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I don't want to live in a world where we are all censored

That article doesnt say anything about brand getting her fired

Brand and Chiles reported her to the higher ups and she was sacked for it, it isn't directly Brand getting her sacked I agree.

It's mudslinging where non is needed. The hypocrisy has been played out though. Jokes, nuance, context have all been used by the same people who not only ridiculed said terms but ramped up the weaponising of the police, their employment etc for what amounts to edgy jokes.

I don't think she should be investigated over it, it wasn't a great joke and considering it was aired on Radio 4 it really wasn't pushing any boundaries either, it was more along the lines of backpatting humour which is not even punching up. IMO comedy needs a new revolution like the 80's but thats another conversation.

The hypocrisy is that some of the vocal support for Jo did not offer the same support for the others making edgy jokes (apart from the comedians who have come out in support) because they are basing it along tribal political lines.

Its about holding the left to the same standards that they themselves have wanted to impose.

She has apologised, the BBC has removed the content but you can guarantee it will get brought up again when someone right leaning makes a joke.

Jo Brand. Has become increasingly one of the "Intolerant Liberals". Desperate to take the supposed moral highground themselves - with frantic virtue signalling. But pretty nasty in their own right. As shown by what she said. Yuk. But she hasn't been funny for years, if she ever was.

She'd be the first to shout and scream for censorship and worse for intolerable views or thoughts (or "jokes"). Hoisted by her own hypocritical petard.

Never seen Jo Brand shout for censorship of anyone else.

She has apologised but I'm not sure that is enough.

And I don't believe she thinks what she said is bad.
I'm not of the opinion that what she said was ever funny. That people in her audience laughed, I find that truly shocking. It's almost as shocking as what she said.

If I'd been there I certainly wouldn't have been one of those people who laughed. But then again I wouldn't have been in her audience.
Not funny at all.

I think of the words of Leonard Cohen (written in 1990-1 I believe):

I'm sentimental, if you know what I mean
I love the country but I can't stand the scene
And I'm neither left or right
I'm just staying home tonight
Getting lost in that hopeless little screen

I can't imagine how hard it is to be funny ALL the time. Jo Brand I suspect is being on more shows now as the Beeb tries to increase the number of women on air, there are far fewer funny older women available than men.. She seems to be in everything these days.

I remember thinking when everyone was laughing at the milk throwing incident that it could easily have been acid and how brave our politicians are to go out and about, who knows when there is a nutter about. Maybe she thought the same and it just came out, but at the wrong time.

However the media seem to have decided to run with it in the hope of more headlines.
She has made this one bad mistake and apologised. I would let it go.

It's mudslinging where non is needed. The hypocrisy has been played out though. Jokes, nuance, context have all been used by the same people who not only ridiculed said terms but ramped up the weaponising of the police, their employment etc for what amounts to edgy jokes.

Yep, someone uses off-colour language in a private conversation, Jo Brand overhears, she runs it up through the ranks to the BBC brass and hey presto, she's gone.

I'm sure Jo Brand would tie herself in a pretzel distinguishing between 'golliwog' and an acid joke, but as we can see in this very thread, there's surely enough people to find either offensive (in Zipee's case, she'd need to know more about who the acid's intended for to judge )

The hypocrisy is that some of the vocal support for Jo did not offer the same support for the others making edgy jokes (apart from the comedians who have come out in support) because they are basing it along tribal political lines

Its about holding the left to the same standards that they themselves have wanted to impose

What's the equivalent "joke" made by a high profile right leaning comedian, we lefties want action on?

What's the equivalent "joke" made by a high profile right leaning comedian, we lefties want action on?

If you want to be deliberately obtuse and go down the tired "i've never seen examples" route just so you can pick it apart as not being gthe same then you more than aware of the general tone of the politicization of why some idiots kicked up a fuss about this.

It isn't about an equivalent joke, the stupid outrage was about holding the left to the same standards in which they have created, apologising for jokes etc etc. Which has now happened, she is being investigated.

Nothing should come of it, and she shouldn't really need to apologise, the same as others who have been dragged through the courts for edgy comments either, hence why the same comedians have come out in support for all sides.

You could easily find some articles, but they are from right leaning publications so you would automatically brush them aside and it's too early in the morning to get into a whatabout argument.

She isn't being investigated any more.

Just like Katie Hopkins didn't have anything happen to her for her comments about shooting refugees in the water or being cockroaches, or many others.

Btw what standards do the "left" hold others to? Lets have some examples.

I don't think she should be prosecuted for this but I've grown up with Jo Brand, we're the same age and she's made me laugh for years.
But this comment or "joke" of hers has definitely made me think less of her.
I think she should be made to do the walk of shame
There has been far too much bad behaviour, the killing of Jo Cox, covering everyone with food at every opportunity, screaming at and shoving grandfathers because they dare to express an opinion in public. It's disgusting.
It''s about time people learnt to behave and stop behaving like beasts.
The effects of being doused in acid are so devastating, it isn't even funny under any circumstances.

The comedian Konstantin Kisin nails it here

I disagree with hin entirely. Katie Hopkins was not reported to the police for her comments neither have many others. Diane Abbott is routinely mocked and remarks made about hanging her from a tree etc. No one whole sale blames the right

Again the right are making out like they are being oppressed. They are not.

Please give examples of the left doing something like this

So do you believe that Count Dankula shouldn't have been dragged through the courts then, zipee?

Please give examples of the left doing something like this

“Please join me in yet another dreary downward-spiral into repetitive point-scoring”

Nope.

Or Franky Boyle can make jokes about disabilities?

Jimmy Car should be allowed to make rape jokes, and Boris perfectly at liberty to say women in burqa look like letter boxes.

If you start trying to apply different dynamics to any of the above then you will not accept any examples as you are part of the problem.

Count Dankula didn't have left wingers calling for him to be charged. He was reported to the police as a relatively unknown blogger, even his alibi that hr had done it as a joke for his girlfriend fell down when it turned out his girlfriend wasn't a subscriber yo the YouTube channel he uploaded it to.

The police investigated and decised he had a case to answer, as did the CPS, he was convicted.

Jo Brand has already been told there is no case to answer.

Frankie Boyle does make jokes about disabilities.

Other commedians are allowed to be offensive too.

As I said Katie Hopkins was not charged for her shooting refugees in the water points .

However freedom of speech isn't the right to day what you want without critique.

Is there a difference in context between Count Dankula and Jo Brand? She was on a radio 4 show as an established comedian, he was an unknown?

Should that matter ?

The effects of being doused in acid are so devastating, it isn't even funny under any circumstances.

You are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion. I might even agree with you. But what you or I are not entitled to do is to say that because we don't think it's a suitable subject for humour, no one else should.

People should be free to make acid attack jokes, and others are free to criticise them for doing so.

I suspect that Jo will suffer financially from this. Good.

She won't, she'll be back on radio 4 next week.