To think Jo Brand should be allowed to joke about anything and everything?

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I don't want to live in a world where we are all censored

Except you are again on the semantics, because it didn't exactly say that it doesn't mean it isn't inferred, which it most certainly is.
Are you mixing up implied with inferred?

Oh gawd this is just going in circles now. You can’t have a discussion with someone who is ideologically gripped. It just isn’t possible.

Jo Brand has apologised for her 'ill-judged and crass battery-acid joke.' (a couple of hours ago.)

Funny that eh? She seemed determined she had NOTHING to apologise for yesterday.

Must have been read the riot act by her agent and PR team!

www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/jun/14/jo-brand-apologises-for-crass-and-ill-judged-battery-acid-joke

I doubt the sincerity of it to be honest, and think she was pressured into apologising.

It’s painful to watch public figures eventually succumbing to pressure/making empty apologies.

I’d rather live in a world where she could say something stupid and stay the course. I guess St Jo is as beholden to commercial interests as any any old white Tory man.

I thought it was very funny and very topical.

Yes, I agree that the endless rounds of apologising is pretty dire.

That said I've just seen milkshaking described (by Eric Weinstein) as "exploratory comic violence...for now" and "a performative rehearsal for something else" which is sort of chilling. I don't blame Nigel Farage for his anger about Jo Brand's comment. He's on the front end of this "comic violence" and he must be continually aware of what the "something else" might be.

Throwing acid over someone is the most calculated way to destroy a life and cause pain and shouldn’t be seen EVER as a funny thing to do.

I'm not sure anyone on here would disagree with that. But we aren't discussing whether acid attacks are a good or bad thing, we are discussing if it's ok to joke about acid attacks. We aren't even discussing whether you or I personally find jokes about acid attacks funny, but we are discussing people's freedom to make jokes about unpleasant things.

Yes she should. It's a joke and she is a comedian.

To joke about someone having acid thrown in them isn’t on no matter who you are,

2 questions:

Have you got a list of banned subjects?
What makes you think you should be the one to decide which subjects are "not on"?

I can remember seeing a programme about Katie Piper showing the first time she went out alone after she had acid thrown over her, the two cousins who'd been celebrating a 21st, random throwing of acid in a nightclub.

There's no way that this can be referred to as a joke or comedy.

I can remember seeing a programme about Katie Piper showing the first time she went out alone after she had acid thrown over her, the two cousins who'd been celebrating a 21st, random throwing of acid in a nightclub.

There's no way that this can be referred to as a joke or comedy.

This is sentimental nonsense. No one has suggested that what happened to Katie Piper is funny. Do you understand that?

I can remember seeing a programme about Katie Piper showing the first time she went out alone after she had acid thrown over her, the two cousins who'd been celebrating a 21st, random throwing of acid in a nightclub.

There's no way that this can be referred to as a joke or comedy.

Using that logic, we can't joke about murder, cats being killed, losing a limb, war, bereavement, or any other dark subject. Because they've all happened to someone and it was awful for them.

That scene in only fools & horses with the chandelier was based on a real life event, where the man responsible had lost his job as a result. I bet he found it very distressing to see it played out in a tv sitcom for our casual amusement.

AlaskanOilBaron

I guess St Jo

Lets not give her heirs and graces that she doesn't deserve.

I'd rather live in a world where jokes were used to push boundaries and act as a safety valve allowing us to laught at and explore difficult things, than in a po faced society for the terminally offended.

Oh and just a reminder to those that have forgotten (as free speech is being banded about) that Jo Brand managed to get someone fired because she was offended, and that didn't even go to air or was even filmed.

if we can’t say things in joke form, we are deprived of an important part of our culture and free speech. Dictators don’t like being made fun of, it undermines them, joking is powerful and anyone can do it.

If you accept Jo Brand was joking, you accept all other jokes, you don’t have to laugh or find them funny, plenty of comedians die on stage when their jokes fail, but what they are doing is still joking and jokes should have an out of hours licence.

If you think that politics caused Jo Cox’s death, then we must not take part in political arguments in case it inflames an insane person to murder and we mustn’t joke in case insane people are motivated to commit violence because they think Jo Brand said ‘Throw battery acid over Nigel Farage’ and do it. We must allow insane people to dictate the scope of public discourse, we must not trigger them.

Oh and just a reminder to those that have forgotten (as free speech is being banded about) that Jo Brand managed to get someone fired because she was offended, and that didn't even go to air or was even filmed.

Really? Do you have a link?

I see MN has deleted Isabelle's posts with some enthusiasm.

I see MN has deleted Isabelle's posts with some enthusiasm

Ive assumed that they were all very naughty

I see MN has deleted Isabelle's posts with some enthusiasm.

Oh dear

No.

LOL free speech indeed........

AlaskanOilBaron

www.theguardian.com/media/2009/feb/03/bbc-drops-carol-thatcher

that Jo Brand managed to get someone fired because she was offended, and that didn't even go to air or was even filmed

That article doesnt say anything about brand getting her fired

What have i missed

reporter 'are you going to carry on working with the bbc' a simple clear question her answer 'i dont know what you mean (really not a complicated question) im not employed by the bbc (not what was asked) so how can i be sacked' wasnt asked whether she was going to be sacked.