To think Jo Brand should be allowed to joke about anything and everything?

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I don't want to live in a world where we are all censored

We just let them march in college towns with Tiki torches cause of freedom of speech.

You can’t pick and choose what people should or shouldn’t be allowed to say. You’re free to use your speech to debate issues and to tell people why you think their ideas are bad, or misguided.

When do we talk about far right terror? Nooo we don't.

Yes people do all the time, the rise of the far right has been a thing since brexit, earlier this year the home office reported an uptick

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/19/uk-to-start-issuing-far-right-terrorism-alerts

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2019/03/19/factsheet-right-wing-terrorism/

The threat from Islamist terrorism remains the foremost and most significant, however, the threat from extreme right-wing terrorism has evolved in recent years, and it is growing. In the past six years, four terrorist attacks in the UK were carried out by lone actors motivated to varying degrees by extreme right-wing ideologies. This included the murder of Jo Cox MP in June 2016.

At least back up what you are saying, the whole only a terrorist if skin colour meme has been doing the rounds on the internet for a few years as well

if you genuinely don't think the leave campaign and its langauge didn't create the situation where someone was influenced to that extent then you're being wilfully disingenuous .

Well then, the same standard applies the other way then doesn't it. But because its your side it doesn't for you. Hypocrites.

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. What ‘side’ do you think I’m on?

How prevalent is far-right extremism?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47626859

There has been lots of reporting of it, especially after brexit.

In fact Boris Johnson himself said "Islam is the problem" and that Islamaphobia is the natural reaction to Islam

The weirdest thing is when the BBC used to be good, Boris did a cracking programme (might have been a 2-parter) on the rise of Islam. Well researched and presented. In fact, if anyone really wanted to sink Boris stock with the Islamophobes, they should reshow that programme. (He also did a good one on the EU compared to ancient Rome ...)

if you genuinely don't think the leave campaign and its langauge didn't create the situation where someone was influenced to that extent then you're being wilfully disingenuous .

If you go down this route then the logical conclusion is that Jo Brand is inciting people to throw acid at people.

I haven't bothered to trawl through all the replies but I am assuming that the OP means she is free to say anything with which the OP agrees! That's the way that such hypocrital statements go, no doubt she also supported thar DJ about the royal baby.

if you genuinely don't think the leave campaign and its langauge didn't create the situation where someone was influenced to that extent then you're being wilfully disingenuous

You don’t know that he was influenced to that extent. You don’t know what went on in his mind. But it suits your purposes to believe it.

Again, you blame the Leave campaign - who exactly are you blaming? Politicians, voters, the media - who? Are they all equally guilty in your mind?

Why the desperation to assign blame far and wide to as many blameless people as you can, rather than the actual murderer?

If you go down this route then the logical conclusion is that Jo Brand is inciting people to throw acid at people.
Exactly.
Zipee said that Brexit was to blame for the murder of Jo Cox.
And people who disagree with that are being wilfully disingenuous.
But then said she only said that because people are harsher towards brown terrorists than white ones.
But these people are racist.
And the people who disagree with these people are people like Zipee.
Who is NOT being wilfully disingenuous.

Yep, clear as mud.

As far as I can see, @Zippee just doesn’t like some people’s politics, so will try to use the murder of an MP of which those people were wholly blameless as a cudgel with which to beat them.

But you can’t blame anyone other than the person responsible. Are you in the habit of accusing innocent people of things they didn’t do?

Considering the woman is a comedian I'd have thought it patently clear she was joking however it was a stupid thing to say in the current climate

Blame the murderer is only ever said when its your side.

Hypocrites.

Why was Farage not taken to task for saying he woukd man the barricades with a rifle?

I think Zipee is missing the point because she is mired in an us vs. them mindset, without being clear on who they are.

By the way, a white terrorist from Australia allegedly murdered 51 Muslims in my hometown about three months ago. You'd better believe the media are hammering the hard right, white supremacist angle. Brexit isn't being blamed but the name Trump has been bandied about a bit.

Perhaps @Zippee would be happier in an authoritarian state where people are told what to think and what their opinions must be. After all, that murderer wasn’t responsible for his actions - it was the Leave campaign that gave him the wrong ideas. They made him do it. He was apparently too stupid to think for himself. He couldn’t have had life experiences or independent thought that led him to commit an act of violence. No - he wasn’t at fault.

The brexit campaign created the conditions for the murder, sorry.

Just the truth.

Blame the murderer is only ever said when its your side

Again, what is my supposed side? You have no idea!

Just the truth

In your mind, apparently so.

Who is a hypocrite? And why? You can’t just assign random opinions to people, because someone on their side said something like that?
What side are you on then, and what side are we on then?
You’re beginning to sound completely incoherent

Oh and Trump definately has stirred up the far right and made its causes appear more legitimate.

Remember the "very fine people" marching and chanting about Jews. Farage on info wars?

Why was Farage not taken to task for saying he woukd man the barricades with a rifle?

On to something else now! Take him to task? What the hell for? He’s allowed to speak. You’re allowed to disagree with what he says.

Jesus wept!

Remember the "very fine people" marching and chanting about Jews. Farage on info wars?

What’s your point? This is just babble...

So now you’re saying it because it’s the truth
Two seconds ago you were only saying it to hold everyone to the same standards.

Mental

Not incoherent at all.

Like I said, you keep describing this as a murder and not an act of terror.

Its in the langauge you use and the justifications that you give because of it.

If Westminster bridge/ London bridge was terror then so was Jo Cox. But I never see it reported as a far right terror attack (nor the Finsbury Park Mosque) but Westminster anr London Bridge are always reported as Islamic Terror.

Its like freedom of speech only goes one way too. The right can say what they like, but get outraged about stuff like the Jo Brand comment.