To think Jo Brand should be allowed to joke about anything and everything?

[noleftturn]

I don't want to live in a world where we are all censored

Jo Cox's murder was because of Brexit

No it wasn't. It was because some out of control nutter decided to go out and murder a woman MP.

OK zipee. When people murder others while shouting "Allah u akbar," do you say the people are dead because of Islam?

I don't think you're going to get a straightforward answer here.

I don't think you're going to get a straightforward answer here

Or any answer 😂

Jo Cox's murder was because of Brexit

Don’t be so ridiculous. Put the responsibility where it lies, with the man who, of his own free will, decided to murder someone.

Ha ! It was because of Brexit, you think without the pro brexit campaign it would have happened?

Its an uncomfortable truth, but one you have to own.

Just like any nut job shouting alahu akbar is branded a Islamist terrorist

You genuinely think that without the pro brexit campaign it would have happened?

Funny how the colour of someones skin means they are mentally ill rather than a terrorist too.

Ha ! It was because of Brexit, you think without the pro brexit campaign it would have happened?

No, it was because a man decided to murder someone, and did so. No one else bears responsibility for his wickedness - only him. Stop trying to make everyone else collectively responsible for the actions of one person.

You don’t know whether it would have happened under different circumstances. You have no way of knowing.

Just like any nut job shouting alahu akbar is branded a Islamist terrorist

Branded = by ignorant racists, typically Brexiteers? Not you?

You genuinely think that without the pro brexit campaign it would have happened?

You don’t know. No one knows. Maybe, maybe not. It’s a fatuous question.

The only uncomfortable truth is your cognitive dissonance Zipee
If Jo Cox was murdered because of Brexit, then how many people have been murdered because of Islam?
You can’t have it both ways lol

Hypocritical bullshit.

Funny that every other type of terrorist there is some form of responsibilities to take. In fact the langauge of the right during the referendum actually insisted on it.

It’s a question worth considering. That man’s house was stuffed with extreme right wing, nationalist propaganda. Nobody would seriously assert that didn’t have an impact on his mentality and behaviour.

But we are not allowed to say what we want, are we? Say something about the grossly overweight people I encountered yesterday?

Jo Brand only want to throw acid because looking at her, it's clear she would never waste a milkshake!

There you go, I made a joke, at Jo Brand's expense, about her being a fat lump.

Now it may offend some people, it may upset Jo Brand (but I doubt it), it may be an unpleasant joke. But it's not illegal and I'm free to make it. And other people are free to criticise me.

That's what happens in a free society.

@Lifecraft

It’s exactly the kind of joke Jo would make about herself. Bet she wishes she had now

Now it may offend some people, it may upset Jo Brand (but I doubt it), it may be an unpleasant joke. But it's not illegal and I'm free to make it. And other people are free to criticise me.

You might want to be prepared to have a phone call from a senior police officer to "check your thinking" though. After all, it has happened before.

Zipee can’t answer the question about if Jo Cox was murdered because of Brexit, then are people murdered by those shouting allah Akhbar murdered because of Islam?
As Zipee knows full well there is no logical response to that argument, she’s now flipping the argument to talk about who is labelled a terrorist. Even though the man who murdered Jo Cox was repeatedly called a terrorist.
Straw men.
Straw men everywhere.

Zipee did answer the question.

I said when someone shouts allahu Akbar everyone on mumsnet blames Islam. The right wing blame Islam, in fqct we get people saying that Muslims need to take responsibility for it (which if it eas said to Jews for the actions of Israel would be antisemitic). It goes on all the time.

Im only applying the same standards you do to your own side.

There’s no nuance here, is there? Extremists carry out extremist acts. You can’t blame Islam for terrorist acts carried out in its name by extremists, neither can you blame Brexit for terrorist acts carried out by a far right extremist.

Is Jo Brand's joke in poor taste? Yes. Should it be a crime to make it? No. Do you have to buy tickets to her next show if you don't like it? No.

Was Danny Baker's royal baby tweet misjudged and in poor taste and probably racist? Yes. Should it be a crime to tweet it? No. Should you turn his radio show off if you don't like it? Yes

Was Boris Johnson's comment about women in the Burkha distasteful and probably racist? Yes. Should it be a crime to say it? No. Do you have to vote for his party if you don't like it? No.

In fact Boris Johnson himself said "Islam id the problem" and that Islamaphobia is the natural reaction to Islam.

Funny that every other type of terrorist there is some form of responsibilities to take

You try to blame ‘Brexit’ - what, the politicians? The Leave voters? All voters who participated, and therefore condoned it? Who are you blaming, precisely, other than the actual murderer?

How far and wide shall we extend this shared responsibility for wrongdoing?

Is every terrorist attack to be laid at the door of muslims as a whole? Is every drunk-driver the responsibility of breweries? Every obese person the responsibility of supermarkets?

Where does personal responsibility figure?

In fact Boris Johnson himself said "Islam id the problem" and that Islamaphobia is the natural reaction to Islam

So what if he did? He’s entitled to his opinions. You can agree with him, or not, as you please.

Personal responsibility only figures when the bad things are done by certain people. Generally people of colour or a certain religion.

Its why the Jo Cox murder is never reported as terrorism, or the mass shootings, just when someone is of a certain religion or colour.

When do we talk about far right terror? Nooo we don't.

We just let them march in college towns with Tiki torches cause of freedom of speech.

So what if he did?
Well then, the same standard applies the other way then doesn't it.

But because its your side it doesn't for you.

Hypocrites.