To think Jo Brand should be allowed to joke about anything and everything?

[noleftturn]

I don't want to live in a world where we are all censored

This encapsulates why the right leaning tiwtter mob is in outrage mode, they are pointing out the hypocrisy of nuance and context when edgy right leaning jokes are made and facebook/twitter posters have been dragged through the courts. It is holding up the left to the same standards that they set.

I think the difference is in the context. Sorry to say it, but if Tommy Robinson were to make a joke about throwing acid over someone, there’s a non-negligible chance that he or one of his supporters might do it. When Jo Brand does the same, there isn’t that chance.

I think the difference is in the context. Sorry to say it, but if Tommy Robinson were to make a joke about throwing acid over someone, there’s a non-negligible chance that he or one of his supporters might do it. When Jo Brand does the same, there isn’t that chance.

Ha. I wouldn't bet on it at all. It has been the left wing who have been milk shaking (which is disgusting and dehumanising, it's not funny or acceptable for anyone to do) and pushing around and intimidating Trump supporters.

It is just escalating what has already gone way too far, I think we can see there are lunatics on both political sides.

Oh and I've heard a lot of things blamed on Brexit but Jo Cox's tragic murder is a bit of a stretch.

It's asinine tbh

When Jo Brand does the same, there isn’t that chance

Really?

Did you see the video of the lady screaming at the Trump supporter recently?

How far away do you think that mob was from inflicting some serious violence?

A hairs breadth, that is how far.

If words matter and we are all to be held to account for them then Jo Brands words matter too.

Anyone, on either side, is capable of extreme violence and it's extremely naive and foolish to imagine that they aren't.

What it is though is comfortable whilst you believe you are on the "right" side and it isn't you that is being milkshaked...but history should tell you how quickly that could be reversed and you could find yourself being pushed around and screamed at by a mob. You might care a tad more about Brands words then.

How big is the audience for Heresy? Even the Today programme only gets about 6 million listeners. A relatively small number of people would have heard this, had someone not taken offence and started this furore, it would have sunk without trace. I bet far worse things are said and we never know about them.

As for incitement to violence, well of course Radio 4 audiences are well known for their extreme violence tendencies. Farage and his facist mates have said far worse than this but God forbid a woman should take them on at their own game.

Farage and his facist mates have said far worse than this but God forbid a woman should take them on at their own game.

Can you please cite some evidence where Farage has said anything which is worse than encouraging acid to be thrown on a person?

How about Carl Benjamin, who “wouldn’t even rape” Jess Philips?

There’s quite a selection of Farage’s delights here:

gal-dem.com/a-complete-history-nigel-farages-political-sins/

How about Carl Benjamin, who “wouldn’t even rape” Jess Philips?

She somehow thinks of that as a rape threat

It’s as much of a threat as Jo Brand’s comment.

Which wasn’t a threat either!

Difficult, I can see how they could say it could encourage violence especially after what happened to No Cox but it feels like other comedians have got away with saying much worse. I have laughed at jokes about subjects that aren't remotely funny on their own because the comedian made it funny, the whole point is not to take them seriously because that's their job. But are the British public too stupid to realise? I think I just about fall on the she should be able to make the joke side because it's her job to not be taken seriously, but it's different if someone who isn't a comedian makes such comments especially if they are political.

Precisely @IsabellaLinton, I rest my case.

Frankie Boyle has never been seen on telly again, since his 'joke' about Katie Price's disabled, blind son six years ago,

He currently has his own show on the BBC. New World Order

It's possible to make a joke on a very offensive topic but you have to be clever about it. For instance:

I do hope those who throw acid watch Breaking Bad, look what happened to Jesse's bathtub! Guys, always read the label, make sure your container is made of ployurathane!

Laboured, but there you go. I'm sure her materials are carefully written so it was foolish of her.

It’s the hypocrisy that people are pissed off about.
The ‘right’ in my opinion are really focusing on this, but because they care about a bad joke, but because of the double standard.
If the left hadn’t weaponised the police many times in the past, and set the precedent to do so, the right wouldn’t be doing it now.

But we are not allowed to say what we want, are we? Say something about the grossly overweight people I encountered yesterday?

I would get shouted down for ‘fat shaming’ a ludicrous recently invented term of abuse. Yes it will be a shame for them when they have diabetes, shot knees, and other problems from being about 25 stone or more

Jo Brand makes jokes at her own expense about being fat all the time. Did you deliberately choose the most ridiculous example you could find?

@crazyasafox

I’m not saying that comedians haven’t been vilified in the past. That will always happen, because there will always be people who find certain types of humour “inappropriate”. If you have a private venue and you don’t want Jim Davidson or whoever performing there, don’t invite them. I don’t think publicly funded broadcasters should engage in that kind of censorship but as you say, it happens. If you want to protest a comedian for their comedy, also fair enough. To a certain extent the market sorts things out anyway - social mores change and the Jim Ds of the world become less and less popular.

What I was referring to was the investigations by police, on what seems to be a pretty regular basis these days, of comedians clearly performing jokes to an audience that appreciates that type of humour in actual or online comedy venues. My recollection of the 70s and 80s was that that did not happen. It is one of the consequences of hate speech legislation, and it is wrong.

There is a certain amount of schaudenfraude with Jo Brand because as she was happy to join the banshee bandwagon of media outrage over Sargon and Dankula over jokes they made.
She will now have to endure the kind of stress and upset she seemed happy to see them go through because (apparently) they were on the “wrong side”.

“And then they came for Jo Brand”, I guess.

Hilbo

Exactly.

@hilbobaggins

Agreed.

Jo Cox's murder was because of Brexit.

The guy shouted about freedom for Britain while he did it.

Farage got to go on TV a week later and say that they had won freedom "without a shot being fired."

This is yet another example of the situation where the right think freedom of speech is their right to say what they like without critique ( it isn't) and then scream blue murser when someone says something they don't like.

OK zipee. When people murder others while shouting "Allah u akbar," do you say the people are dead because of Islam?

well everyone else does don't they?
Its never, " oh these people were mentally ill".
Yup, Jo Cox was assasinatedby a far right terrorist in the name of brexit.

Because he was white we don't talk about it like that.