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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask why you didn't/don't want children?

959 replies

alfie22 · 09/06/2019 23:42

I'm in no way judging anybody who have decided not to have DCs.

But I am genuinely intrigued for the reasons why after reading a thread about somebody's DD not wanting children.

What are your reasons for not having children? Would there any be "what ifs" further down the line?

OP posts:
Gemma93 · 10/06/2019 06:39
  • love my life the way it is at the moment
  • children are so expensive - would mean fewer holidays, a worse house, less fun etc
  • it sounds like endless chores / stress / drudgery and often for kids who are selfish and ungrateful
  • no free time
  • weekends spent at play groups and swimming lessons instead of all the awesome stuff I enjoy at the moment
  • inevitable impact on career from mat leave / childcare responsibilities
  • love my husband more than anything and don’t want anything to impact that relationship

No one can say they will never change their mind in the future but I don’t anticipate it happening. I feel very comfortable with the decision.

Plus, from an environmental impact, I see ‘my share’ as going to a family with more than 2 kids, so I am doing my part!

SherlockSays · 10/06/2019 06:42

I do have a 10 month old DD and she is my world, I adore her. I had her at 30 but before that, children just weren't in our life plan and we actually thought impossible - we were fine with it and happy.

Of course, she has changed my life and i can't imagine her not being here - but there will not be another. I do miss my old life, and especially sleep.

SherlockSays · 10/06/2019 06:46

I'll add that I've been extremely lucky that I've been able to pick up my career exactly where I left it before maternity leave - I've reduced to 4 days a week (which is very common where I am) but I'm already lining up for a promotion.

thatmustbenigelwiththebrie · 10/06/2019 06:46

I like peace and quiet and alone time and I don't think I would deal with losing that very well, it wouldn't do much for my mental health.

I also have lots of hobbies which I enjoy and would not have time for if I had a child and like going away for the weekend a lot which I would not have any spare money left for if I had children as I don't earn huge amounts.

I also love sleep Grin

I am not immune to the charms of children and can certainly see what they bring to someone's life. I love my nieces and my friends' children and enjoy their company. But having my own 24/7? Not for me.

motherheroic · 10/06/2019 06:47

If you ask someone why they want/had children their answer will always be self serving.

For me, I've never had the urge. Love my little cousin's. I also love to leave them behind and go home to a stress free house.

Gemma93 · 10/06/2019 06:48

I also agree with the PPs saying that the positives people talk about don’t seem like positives. So you have an overwhelming sense of love - that’s great, I would hope so, but I also feel overwhelming love for people in my life, and the people I love aren’t an endless drain on my emotional, financial and physical resources. And I am sure it’s absolutely lovely to be told by your child that they love you - but that’s because it makes all the stress and sleep-deprivation and sacrifice worthwhile. If you aren’t having to deal with those negatives in the first place, it doesn’t sound like that great a benefit.

People suggesting kids are the only way of having life with purpose are, obviously, twats.

I like kids enormously. And I love my nieces and nephew with all my heart. But nothing about their existence has ever made me think I would like one of my own. It’s actually the opposite - seeing the way my siblings have changed and the way their lives have changed truly proves to me that I do not want that for myself.

Ghanagirl · 10/06/2019 06:48

It’s great that people decide they don’t want children rather than just having them because it’s expected.
But why do some posters need to put down parents and state you “hate” children that’s like saying you hate humans you’ve never met which is ridiculous.
As for the generalisations that babies ruin your figure I’m still a size 8 as I take care of myself.
I’m sure all non parents don’t have fantastic bodies lots of spare cash and exciting lives same as parents we’re all different.

Doobigetta · 10/06/2019 06:49

AGAIN, really?! Seems like all we ever fucking do around here is justify our freakish existence to the gawping crowd. Not judging my arse.

CoalTit · 10/06/2019 07:00

I don't want kids because my parents had five and they still seem thoroughly pissed off about it. It's like a dangerous drug; all delightful at first, with lots of intense highs, then the hormone production drops off and you're left with the drudgery and expense and also often the desire to go through the exciting part again. And it seems to be much worse for women.

RiversDisguise · 10/06/2019 07:01

If you ask someone why they want/had children their answer will always be self serving.

Very true. I really just wanted a homunculus to bring me wine and canapés on a little tray.

Your parents probably fantasised about the same.

I hope you were not the disappointment to your parents that my children have been to me.Wine

WhoAteMyNuts · 10/06/2019 07:04

Ghanagirl you could say why is it we have to always justify ourselves to parents on why we don't want to be one. And then you moan that people shouldn't be honest about 'hating' children to spare your feelings or that because someone doesn't want to ruin their figure you invalidate that because it didn't ruin yours.

P.s. I hate spending time with children. It is not pleasurable or entertaining. They aren't cute or endearing. I didn't choose to have any so I don't see why I should pretend otherwise.

dodgeballchamp · 10/06/2019 07:06

Because i just know, in a very deep-seated and ingrained way, that I don’t want them, much the same as I just know without thinking about it that I don’t want to saw off my leg. It just is. Much in the same way as people just know they want them, I imagine.

I don’t find babies or children cute, they’re mainly just annoying, I have no desire to be around them, I like doing what I want whenever I want, I’m not willing to put anyone else before myself, and reading about the minutiae of parenting on here (things like having to police yours and your partner’s free time, potty training and trying to get the little buggers to eat a meal without complaining) just sounds like hell on Earth to me. If I had a child I’m quite sure I’d regret it

Handbag101 · 10/06/2019 07:07

Not for me either. 44 next month. Mortgage paid, luxury holidays, time my own, great job, killer body and great friends. Everyone I know who has them just moans constantly about them... I know I sound shallow and get judged constantly but mostly I think it's jealously....

WhoAteMyNuts · 10/06/2019 07:10

Doobigetta I agree. I suspect soon we will be asked why we are on mumsnet Wink

SinkGirl · 10/06/2019 07:14

I also agree with the PPs saying that the positives people talk about don’t seem like positives. So you have an overwhelming sense of love - that’s great, I would hope so, but I also feel overwhelming love for people in my life, and the people I love aren’t an endless drain on my emotional, financial and physical resources. And I am sure it’s absolutely lovely to be told by your child that they love you - but that’s because it makes all the stress and sleep-deprivation and sacrifice worthwhile. If you aren’t having to deal with those negatives in the first place, it doesn’t sound like that great a benefit.

But it isn’t the same thing, speaking as someone who spent a long time not wanting children, then not being certain enough to actively try for them, then having two at once.

I think the difficulty is that the negatives are tangible things we’ve all experienced to an extent without kids - lack of sleep, lack of disposable income, not being able to go and do what you want when you want for other reasons (restrictive work hours, having a pet, etc etc), high levels of stress and responsibility, etc. When you have kids you realise that those things are much more intense when you have kids than you understood previously.

But the positives are harder to imagine because they’re mostly based on how you feel, and it’s very difficult to imagine feelings you haven’t had. Yes, I felt overwhelming love before I had my children, and actually I didn’t feel overwhelming love for them at first - mainly I felt fear and anxiety, but we had a tough start! It’s more than just love, it is a unique emotion, and unique to each person too. I love my DH and some of my family and friends, but it isn’t the same.

My life is infinitely more difficult than it was before I had children, there’s no doubt about it. I wasn’t expecting to have two at once, I definitely wasn’t expecting for them both to have disabilities, I figured I’d be able to go back to work after a year when actually I’m struggling to work even very part time and they’re nearly 3. They need a lot of therapies and hospital appointments and the mental load of juggling all that and their additional needs is overwhelming at times.

Even so, the absolute positives completely outweigh the negatives for me. I wouldn’t go back even if I could. Explaining those positives is very difficult, however.

Some of the assumptions made here about why people have children are pretty vile. I didn’t do it because I wanted to replicate myself, or have someone to care for me. I changed my mind after my mum passed away. She had cancer, we hadn’t had a great relationship before that, but in her last 18 months we built the most fantastic relationship. I sat with her in the hospice and she told me that having us was the only thing in her life that she absolutely knew was the right thing. I looked at my life - I was happily married, had a good career, I’d travelled a lot, done lots of things I wouldn’t be able to do with children but I had a flash of being 30 years older and having done nothing more than those things and it just didn’t feel right.

I would never speak about people who choose not to have children the way parents are spoken about here. I find it interesting that to some people it’s shallow to want to procreate, but not to want to continue having luxuries. I find it strange that people go on about how irresponsible it is to have children on an environmental basis yet give reasons such as loving to travel and continue consuming as much as possible. It’s odd.

Everyone is entitled to make this decision for themselves, and they should do. No one should have children if they’re not 100% sure they want them - you can end up in a very different situation than you imagined. There’s absolutely no need to trash other people for making different choices - I would never do that to my loved ones and friends who are childfree.

IrenetheQuaint · 10/06/2019 07:15

I like my sleep.

ScreamingValenta · 10/06/2019 07:17

you achieve a very deep abiding love from your kids that you cannot get from any other interaction

I wondered how long it would take for people to start saying this kind of thing. Why do (some) people who have children seem to think that just because they can't achieve a deep, abiding love with anyone but their children, no one else can?

SinkGirl · 10/06/2019 07:17

I know I sound shallow and get judged constantly but mostly I think it's jealously...

^Exactly my point.

Maybe they just actually think you are shallow?

SinkGirl · 10/06/2019 07:19

Why do (some) people who have children seem to think that just because they can't achieve a deep, abiding love with anyone but their children, no one else can?

Equally, why do you assume that people who say this haven’t experienced the kind of love you’re talking about but believe that the relationship with, and feelings they have for, their children are different?

IceRebel · 10/06/2019 07:21

I'm similar to @WelcomeToGreenvale

I work with them.
I love my job and I also love giving them back at the end of the day.
And when I get home I'm useless for the rest of the evening. I just don't think I'm capable of doing that 24/7.

I think a lot of people go into parenthood without thinking about life after the baby stage. It's bloody hard work, and I am in awe of those who do a brilliant job parenting. But for me it's the knowledge that it's bloody hard work, perhaps more than I would be able to deal with.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 10/06/2019 07:21

Noise, mess and drudgery. I find very young children boring as hell.

But mainly I just never felt the urge. And I consider it wrong to bring an unwanted child into the world, there are enough of them in that sad situation already.

Gemma93 · 10/06/2019 07:23

I don’t judge anyone who has children. I totally understand why someone might, and I’m glad there will be young people paying into my pension pot when I’m (hopefully) eighty.

But I agree - the positives are woolly and ill-defined, and if you don’t already have a sense that you want kids, I don’t think they sound very compelling. It’s a different kind of love - fine, I believe it. But I don’t want it, and my life certainly isn’t poorer for not having it. And again, it seems to me that this sense of love is important because it justifies the intense sacrifices. Without those sacrifices, is that love really that compelling? It’s hard to believe so if you don’t already feel inclined to have children.

I’m grateful there are people who have children. I’m grateful specifically for my gorgeous niblings, and I’m grateful in a more general sense for the next generation and the contributions to society they will make. But I am also grateful for people who know their own minds, and don’t bring into the world children when they aren’t desperately wanted. It takes all of us to make a healthy, thriving society.

Shoxfordian · 10/06/2019 07:23

I don't like children. I don't like when we have to spend time with them, which isn't often but sometimes there's family stuff we can't get out of.
I'm not even slightly maternal. I don't have any desire to have any.

WhoAteMyNuts · 10/06/2019 07:24

I am genuinely confused why some parents can't accept the reasons someone gives for being childfree and come onto these threads to dismiss the justifications.

It's as if us childfree people have to sanitise our decisions as to not upset the parents Hmm

Vicksonsocks · 10/06/2019 07:26

I agree with SinkGirl.

I also will never get over the irony of people, such as a PP, claiming they actively dislike children and parents, yet posting on mumsnet.

"but it's not all about parenting, there's the feminism/book/politics section, it's a place where women can talk and share ideas"

Yes, and it was set up by mothers, and most of the debating women are mothers, it seems as though our children left us a brain cell or two, thank God.

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