To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

awaits tumbleweed*

I don't understand the outrage at the suggestion trans people need psychiatric help. I've seen many trans people themselves concerned that the push to 'demedicalise' and move towards self ID is going to deny vital MH support to those most in need of it.

I don't really get what the OP here is about....

Good point ghosty. For anyone who doesn't think this happens, check out Pride 2018 and the news surrounding the 'transphobic' lesbians who don't want dick.

Transmen are not biologically stronger than men and are no more likely than women to commit violent and sexual crime.

If that's the case why would they not want help to overcome their feelings?

Because they don't feel they need "fixing?"
Being female is who they are?

Why are trans men never included in these discussions?

My main area of interest/concern is women’s sport. Transmen aren’t a threat to men’s sports or players.

'reaching out with their fists...'

medium.com/@tom_farr/male-silence-and-male-violence-a-marriage-of-complicity-ad669b87c800

Also haven’t seen well funded campaigning for transmen to have access to male prisons, or male only facilities and services, for example.

Does seem to have plopped and run , @DuploTower!

Do people think that lesbians have the right to say that they will not even consider having a relationship with a person with a penis? The same for gay men- do they have to consider having relationships with people with vaginas? Are people of all sexes and sexualities entitled to their “genital hangup?

Why are trans men never included in these discussions?

Like the 12 year old girls having their breasts removed that I mentioned earlier?

Males as a class are a threat to females as a class.

One of the common defining factors at play for trans boys aka girls having their breasts bound or removed, is the wanting to get away from the male pattern harassment, abuse and violence that girls and women are subjected to.

The problem is men.

Transmen are discussed particularly in relation to ROGD and the issues around girls seeking to transition. They aren't generally included in discussions about single sex spaces or women's safety because they are female and statistically not a threat to women.

Why are trans men never included in these discussions?

Because we are not transphobic. Transmen are not trying to make female only spaces unisex. They are not attacking women, threatening them and doxing them.

Why would we have any problem with them?

I support trans people as a human person. This meaning, I believe they have the right to safety

I do not and will never believe a man should be able to access a women’s space/sports/hospital ward/refuge/rape centre just because they claim they are a woman.

Trans people are apparently mostly suicidally depressed, so they say. And they also don't want to have invasive surgery and whatnot. So why wouldn't they want therapy to stop feeling so depressed? Why is that a contraversial statement?

I'm pleased MN is gender critical and hasn't been absorbed into the general agenda pushed by the likes of stonewall and mermaids. It's very important that there are still people willing to stand up and say the things that get said here in that regard.

I respect anyone's decision to live as they wish and I will call a trans woman she and her when speaking to them if that is their choice. It doesn't mean I believe that have actually changed sex or that they were born into the wrong body, etc. That doesn't make me transphobic. I believe in trans rights, just not to the detriment and erosion of women's rights and protections.

There is not a perfect solution to this issue that suits absolutely everybody.

Because they don't feel they need "fixing?"
Being female is who they are?

How are transwomen female please?

These threads are all identikit.

Not quite. I've been reading them for some time and it appears to me that as time passes more posters are joining in and agreeing that male bodied rapists like Karen White shouldn't be in women's prisons and that they are very concerned about medical treatment being given to children that will put them on the path to being sterilised.

The concept of trans that has developed recently has some difficult aspects and people are becoming more aware of them and more concerned.

I have never met a trans woman who felt that all cis lesbians were mandated to have sex with her hmm

That's another mad myth

It is absolutely NOT a myth that lesbians are being called transphobic for refusing to countenance sex with transwomen, or more specifically, sex that involves a penis.

The most superficial Google/social media search would tell you this.

Being female is who they are?

It's not though. That's a flat lie. Male people aren't female. 'Feeling female' isn't real.

I think there's a huge difference between transphobia and concern about women's rights, but everytime a concern is raised you'll get shouted down as transphobic.

This

I don't know if you realise it, OP but in public discussions these are currently things which are deemed 'transphobic":

• the dictionary definition of "woman"
• discussions of women's legal rights
• defence of women's legal rights
• any feminist discussion which doesn't centre men and/or transwomen
• the statement that lesbians aren't attracted to penises

So, you know, forgive me if I say YABU

So issues such as trans men using women's toilets and changing rooms cause no issues for anyone then?

One point I see always brought up is that allowing trans women to use women's changing rooms will cause women of certain religions to be forced out. Now, I can't believe that those same religious women will have no problem sharing with a trans man, because outwardly that person will look like a man. Are they going to ask to inspect their genitalia before deciding whether they stay or go? So, I see trans men as causing as much of a barrier to women of certain religions as trans women do, yet this is always ignored.

Because they don't feel they need "fixing?"
Being female is who they are?

But they are quite evidently not female. That's the whole point. If they were female they wouldn't be trans.

If they want help to overcome their distress why would they not want that help? Unless their motivation isn't actually their own mental health at all. And if that is the case, then surely it is clear why women have concerns?

It's not though. That's a flat lie. Male people aren't female. 'Feeling female' isn't real.

It really does make me wonder where people get these ideas from.

'female is what they are'?

And when you ask 'how so' you get nothing back. Just utter nonsense.

*DecomposingComposers

Why do you only ever talk about men and trans women?*

Why are trans men never included in these discussions?

Perhaps it's because we aren't inherently transphobic, we just object to women being told to budge up for men. Sex segregated spaces exist for the safety of women.

Because men like this one insist on being called she/her, steal the name of a well known feminist, and physically attack women speaking about female safety.