To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

awaits tumbleweed*

I also reject the infuriating word of “cis”

I am not a fucking cis woman. I am a woman. You are a trans woman, good for you. Does not make me “cis”

So issues such as trans men using women's toilets and changing rooms cause no issues for anyone then?

Au contraire. This issue was being discussed elsewhere on MN today.

LimeKiwi
You regularly state that Mumsnet, especially FWR is deeply transphobic, you also regularly state that even when it's pointed out it flys over people's heads. Your stance appears to be telling posters that they are transphobic, you never supply examples of this transphobia, because, handily for you they've all been deleted. You always use this a your Gotcha moment. You appear to think that people not admitting that they are transphobic automatically means that they are. When biological facts are stated this is not transphobic, this is the reality in which we live. Human beings cannot change sex.
Report any posts the you deem to be transphobic and see what happens

Oh but Vagina

Didn’t you hear?

He wasnt being aggressive. He was having an autistic moment and went to greet her in the wrong way. I.e fists up

Some women, including myself, don't want to be disadvantage and forced into uncomfortable situations (such as mixed toilets) because other people, a tiny minority, feel that they are entitled to use female spaces because they believe they are female.
As women, some of us don't think it's fair our circumstances are being compromised.

It's not a personal attack on someone who is transgender. It's not hateful, or unkind. We just want to maintain 'male' and 'female' spaces and basic biology to be respected in sporting event. This surely benefits the vast majority - rather than adapting everything for a tiny minority community.

They aren't generally included in discussions about single sex spaces or women's safety because they are female and statistically not a threat to women.

Well, there are studies to suggest that whilst trans women commit crime at the same rates as men, trans men actually move towards male patterns of crime.

And why do trans men not cause an issue for some women in single sex spaces? Equally, would a woman who requests a female to do her cervical smear be ok with a trans man doing it? After all, according to you they are female.

He wasnt being aggressive. He was having an autistic moment and went to greet her in the wrong way.

Yes shouting at a woman 'you’re a fucking cunt, you’re a fucking bitch, a fucking Terf' whilst running up to her, isn't at all aggressive.

Butchyrestingface

Can you link to that thread? I'd like to read it.

What was the gist of the discussion?

oh yes PLEASE less of this CIS shit - I am a woman - a biological woman

Soubriquet

Oh but Vagina Didn’t you hear? He wasnt being aggressive. He was having an autistic moment and went to greet her in the wrong way. I.e fists up

And still they wonder

Well I see a lot of posts where people proclaim they utterly reject the idea that somebody could think they were born in the wrong body

I fully understand that someone can feel that their body is wrong: bodily dysmorphia. IT's a feature of anorexia, or people who feel they should not have a limb which they have.

Thing is, they're not necessarily correct.

We don't tell anorexics that, yes, they are fat and that they should go on an extreme diet.

Feeling you are in the "wrong" body is a problem of mental perception; it's an illness - dysmorphia - not an actual material thing. People need therapy to help them feel less did-ease with their bodies.

In the 1970s, part of the therapeutic response for people then called transsexuals was to try some bodily modifications, in order to help people live more comfortably with bodies which repelled them.

This doesn't necessarily "fix" dysphoria/dysmorphia. It was an experimental therapy at the time - and, in my opinion, remains so.

And the whole thing is so predicated on the Western notion of a split between mind & body - a concept which is harmful to us all.

PS. Do you think discussing menstruation is transphobic? Because that's what women are being told ...

I'm so confused, I don't know if this is sarcasm.

But if you're desperate to chat to people who wholeheartedly believe that liking dresses and lipstick makes you a woman then head over to Twitter and fill your boots. And even better, if a woman dares to say she disagrees, you can send her death threats and then get her banned for her hateful behaviour. It's wonderful, it's all about the love and tolerance.

@isabellerossignol I'm really not sure why you're so confused about what I said. What you do seem confused about is what being trans actually means. And yes because all supporters of trans rights want to batter those who disagree There are violent people on both sides of the argument, that doesn't mean all people are violent.

@Decomposingcomposers

Should be from this page onwards:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3603282-To-ask-why-aibu-is-so-anti-trans?pg=20&order=

@thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter Thanks. I have to admit though, I don't actually know how to use Twitter

@Sackrifice you mean the people who were not authorized to protest and decided to lay down in front of the march disrupting people because they thought they were more important than anyone else?

So, could a lesbian have a trans woman as a lesbian partner, or a gay man be with a trans man?
Of course. If they fancy each other. First and foremost, we need to recognise that trans women are women, and trans men are men. After that it becomes a matter of who you are attracted to. Adults are free to have relationships with other consenting adults, whatever their sexual orientation or gender identity.

From the Stonewall website. No one is forcing lesbians to have sex with pre-op transwomen

"transwomen sleeping with gay women is ‘rape culture’

Read more: metro.co.uk/2019/05/06/woman-declares-lgbt-community-homophobic-lesbians-transwomen-sleeping-rape-culture-live-tv-9419025/?ito=cbshare

I guess lesbians aren't allowed to sleep with transwomen even if they want to now.

Also what really pisses me off on here is the constant "Just declare yourself a man to get away with it" transphobic bullshit that is trotted out nearly every damn day.

Why are you so afraid of people doing what the fuck they feel with their own bodies when it's harming no one? You don't have the right to say that someone is mentally ill because they feel they aren't in the correct body unless you're a psychiatrist, and it's funny how those Psychiatrists agree with trans people.

There are violent people on both sides of the argument, that doesn't mean all people are violent.

Would you mind providing examples of gender critical people physically assaulting trans people when trans people want to meet and discuss trans rights? If it happens on 'both sides' I'm sure you can link to examples?

Trans women do not commit crimes in any greater proportion than other humans.

Its worth pointing out that trans women commit crime at the same rate as men.

Except their crimes go down in stats as committed by women.

Wow @icantreachthepretzels That is basically exactly what I wanted to say, but worded much more articulately than I could have put it!

because it IS harming women

What you do seem confused about is what being trans actually means.

In that case, please explain it to me.

Also feel the need to point out there are far more trans men out there than trans women but men aren't whining about sharing their space and being decent human beings.

First and foremost, we need to recognise that trans women are women, and trans men are men

Can you please define 'man' and 'woman' in such a way that both sexes are included in the definition? Without using the word you're trying to define as part of the definition, of course.
Thanks

Upzadaizy

I’ve mentioned this before, but I was told that a discussion surrounding the ongoing physical effects of a miscarriage was transphobic as I was excluding trans women from the discussion

It's not just you OP. I'm totally with you. If anyone can point me in the direction of a more tolerant site, one that actually agrees with the narrative that transmen are men and transwomen are women that'd be much appreciated.

Here you go: www.reddit.com/r/crossdreaming/

men aren't whining about sharing their space

Weirdly enough there are ZERO trans men in men's prisons. Why do you think that is?

Men are less able to identify females when they appear to be very masculine so they aren't likely to notice a passable transman in the loo or changing room at a quick glance. Whereas not only to transwomen pass far less often than transmen, women are better at spotting males whatever they are dressed like.