To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

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I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

awaits tumbleweed*

Yes just because you're a woman doesn't mean you are right or perhaps just being a bit dishonest. If you admitted I was right now then your principal of womens rights over tans-womens rights loses its gravitas. Maybe you dont and that's fine, I just think in a different thread you may agree with me that most people do.

trebe there is no sense of being a man or woman other than social construct which you have said yourself

Just so I understand the gist of what most are saying. Are you saying that nothing about being a biological woman gives you any sense of self or identity?

Female is what I am (along with adult and human). My body is a fixed entity and it can never have the experience of maleness so it is impossible for me to ever "feel" male.

The who (my identity) is a collection of perceptions I have gathered in relation to other people and my experiences. I may think of myself as funny or athletic or lazy or spiritual or unattractive or highly focused or "good with people" or any other host of traits however none of these are sex specific and all of them are subject to change over time and with new perspective. Identity is amorphous. It lives in the realms of our thoughts and ideas.

I'm a woman telling you it doesn't exist. There are physical, biological differences but that's it.

Good for you. I'm one telling you that there's something more out there for me.

Not being a man or a woman, the sense of being male or female is obviously a social construct.

No. I know I'm a woman because my body is female. Even Limekiwi can't explain what this female feeling is.

Ok cantspell, then what are your thoughts on being a female in the world we live in?

Or feelings for jarnsaxa

Even Limekiwi can't explain what this female feeling is

You're right, I can't. I just know it's there.

That's not what I'm saying. At all. It's not a thought in my head. It's clearly there or it isn't for some. It's just "you.". Not a thought.

OK so it's not a thought and it's not a feeling so it's a nothing?

What is "a sense" of something if not a thought or a feeling. If you cannot define it, it doesn't actually exist. You know that right?

The stereotypes that go with being male or female are social constructs yes.

I am fairly left wing and started off very supportive of TWAW thing but sport and the cyclist and puberty blockers peak transed me.

While I initially found it discombobulating to hold the “same” views as Trump and co when you break it down to core beliefs TRAs and conservative right-ringers have fairly identical views with regard to gender stereotypes. This is evident in so-called trans children. Boys are “trans” if they like pink, glitter, long hair and dolls. That rigid pink/blue divide is in keeping with strict conservatism as well.

OK so it's not a thought and it's not a feeling so it's a nothing?

No, it's just who I am. It's more than "a thought." It's both thought and feeling. Although neither. It's more.
Oh blah this makes no sense reading back but I know what I mean. Totally expecting someone to drag it back to feelz now

Boys are “trans” if they like pink, glitter, long hair and dolls

No they're not.

Well I utterly reject the notion that people are born in the wrong body. I think many people just rebel against the gender stereotypes as they don’t fit in. Some are mentally ill. The ‘genuine’ ones who go through all the invasive and extreme medical procedures I have sympathy with but even then I don’t believe they are real women or men. For those who go for the op you can invert a cock for a fake vagina but the other way round is impossible as they need some kind of pump or button to get an erection

Ok cantspell, then what are your thoughts on being a female in the world we live in?

What do you mean, "The world we live in"?

Females are the sex class that can gestate - that's what being female is.

Do you mean, how do I think females are treated on the basis of the fact they are female and how do those experiences shape their identity in relation to how males are treated and how that shapes their identity and what are the experiential differences?

If so, can you be specific about where, when and by whom please because all of that is subject to historical and cultural differences.

Human bodies have remained largely unchanged for half a million years (at least in terms of their reproductive capacities).

*Boys are “trans” if they like pink, glitter, long hair and dolls

No they're not.*

Troubling, isn’t it?

And tricky, given that this unable to be specified “feeling” of womanhood is conflated with reductive gender identity.

What is this more that is more than a thought or a feeling?
Is it a belief? If you believe that you are female and you have a female body, you would be correct.
if you believed that you were male but had a female body you would be incorrect. No judgment, just that for whatever reason you'd be wrong

No, it's just who I am. It's more than "a thought." It's both thought and feeling. Although neither. It's more.

It's everything and nothing. It's infinite and miniscule. It's effable and ineffable. It's a riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma!

It's comedy gold, is what it is.

However you don’t need a dick to be man these days but you can have a dick and be a woman if you believe not the crazy stances but the accepted stances by all the mainstream political parties and government apparatus

It's comedy gold is what it is
Meh. Fair enough then.

limekiwi you’re doing yourself no favours here

I'm just saying how it is for me. My experience, me being me
Really don't care if I'm not doing myself any favours whatever that's supposed to mean anyway.

You’re not saying how it is for you though 😂 you’re going round in circles. Explaining nothing

Lime, do you think you might have been over thinking it a bit?