To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

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Wikipedia. Jesus christ. That says it all

Somebody upthread posted to a person posting on Reddit as their argument.

Thats fine but I'm just tying to give you some of the factors of being male that are taken into account a lot more because of testosterone. That was all. If you're asking me what it means to me to be a man I would have answered differently.

So lime you believe there is an innate feeling/not feeling inside you that makes you a woman? However you can’t explain what that is or describe how it feels?

Trebe, testosterone gives you more muscle mass and are therefore better at physical violence. Girls are usually taught quite young that fighting is not 'ladylike', the ones who aren't or didnt listen find out at puberty that trying to fight men is not a great idea. We all have violent instincts, we're animals, but girl's are socialised to repress their instincts earlier and harder

Jarnsaxa when I said that I got over 300 posts arguing I was wrong.

You literally said it was about your feelings!

No, I really didn't. I can't describe it to someone who won't see though.
It's not my feelings. Nor what someone told me I should be.
It's my sense of self.
Me.
Nothing to do with whether I like pink, dresses, or what stereotypical toys have or haven't been forced on me.
(I always preferred cars and Legos to bloody Barbies anyway)

Also testosterone does make you more aggressive.

I’m willing to “see” lime give it a try with me?

I’m willing to “see” lime give it a try with me?

Que?

Since this 'sense of self' is so difficult to define, LimeKiwi, do you think it's appropriate to use it to organise society?

Men are not women.
As a woman, I do not want to share toilets, changing rooms, etc etc, with men.

Men have no place in women's spaces.

And the child protection aspect is even more worrying. Men being able to push themselves into places where men should not be allowed.

No wonder that women are speaking up against this toxic push by anti-women actiivists.

Just so I understand the gist of what most are saying. Are you saying that nothing about being a biological woman gives you any sense of self or identity?

“I can’t describe it to someone who won’t see though” limekiwi

Occassional, which anti-women activists?

No, I really didn't. I can't describe it to someone who won't see though. It's not my feelings. Nor what someone told me I should be.
It's my sense of self. Me. Nothing to do with whether I like pink, dresses, or what stereotypical toys have or haven't been forced on me. (I always preferred cars and Legos to bloody Barbies anyway).

It's not feelings so it's a thought in your head. Got it.

We all have them. Some thoughts correlate to reality and some don't. But reality isn't conjured by Abracadabra (it will be created with my words) though, so having thoughts that don't match reality has no actual effect on said reality.

That's why we use observable evidence in any scientific method. Thoughts are tricky buggers sometimes.

trebe you know that isn’t what people are saying

Trebe, I'm probably more aggressive than 70% of the men I know. Doesn't mean I could beat them in a physical fight. I come from a long line of fighty women. Women have just as much need to defend themselves and their children as men do. We're just not as physically equipped to do so.
ooh crap. I'm aggressive and I have a high sex drive. And I drink beer and don't have ladyfeelz. Does that mean I'm a man? A man who thinks he's a woman? Am I a transman-trans roman. Double trans???

It's not feelings so it's a thought in your head. Got it.

We all have them. Some thoughts correlate to reality and some don't

That's not what I'm saying. At all.
It's not a thought in my head. It's clearly there or it isn't for some.
It's just "you.". Not a thought.

Women are of a sex class that is different from the sex class that is men.

Is this true or is this false?

Yes or No?

So then testosterone and the use of it in violence is more predicated in men. Also I think you have made a point for me by saying that women aren't as physically capable (usually) of fighting so they manage it better. Would that be a sense of being a woman? Its because you're a woman that you are more likey to be in physical danger because of your sex not gender. Does that make sense?

Not being as physically equipped to physically defend ourselves from men is why we need women's spaces. For the people who are physically women.

Also I'm in favor of most of the things said about womens rights, however I do believe there is a sense of being a female. Of course that sense is socially constructed but I don't believe it doesn't exist.

Jarnsaxa I agree.

Also I'm in favor of most of the things said about womens rights, however I do believe there is a sense of being a female

Same

I'm a woman telling you it doesn't exist. There are physical, biological differences but that's it.