To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

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Jarnsaxa, I'm not saying anyone has said anything transphobic, quite the opposite. I'm saying that saying you don't have a sense of what its like to be female makes no sense to me. I think most people have a sense of their biological inequalities and differences. Sometimes that includes being female.

Cantspell, we are essentially agreeing.

"l. Certain brain structures in trans women have been found to be similar to cisgender women's as opposed to cis men's, and trans men's have been found to be similar to cis men'

Not heard that before. Really interesting though. Kind of ties in with what I was saying earlier (albeit badly) that I think there's more to it

Reapers, noones saying they're wrong in how they feel. I think most of us understand there are conditions that make people believe things that are not objectively true and that it's distressing.
That still doesn't mean that a person's body can be anything other than that person's body though. And if they have a penis then they are male.

Will no one listen to the (many many many) detransitioned?

What things about yourself give you that sense of being male Trebe? Can you describe it?

Not heard that before. Really interesting though

That is because it is nonsense.

Scientists cannot tell any male brain from a female brain by slicing them open.

And you think that a 50 yr old man's brain suddenly changes to become like a woman's when he puts a dress on?

Come on now.

Sorry Trebe, probably misunderstood you.

Cantspell, we are essentially agreeing.

Yes maybe. So you agree that a man cannot be a woman and vice versa because these terms are rooted in our biological reality?

I definitely prefer the system we've had for decades now (fought for by women, of course) women's places and services for women. No men.

Women are women, and hey! they are also human, same as men!

But men are not women. They are men. This is all because of biology.

No men in women's spaces. End of. Women are saying NO to men in women's spaces.

NO.

That's a NO to men in women's single-sex spaces.

You’re talking about feelings lime I don’t feel like a woman but I am one. I just feel like me. The stereotypical things that make someone a woman are pink, high heels, cleaning and being emotional. Are there biological feelings that a woman feels? Do you like cleaning, high heels and being emotional because you are a woman?

I don't like cleaning or heels. Does that mean I'm a man?

No of course not / that would be really silly.

Oh that brain crap again. Is this to do with that hormone was in the womb nonsense again? Hormone wash happens, somehow only affects the brain. Never a foot. Or one breast. Maybe a feminine ear. Or something. Why is it a hormone wash on the womb? Like yknow it's the mothers fault? Why is it never suggested that maybe the y chromosome sperm was a bit long, had extra bits, more like an x or something? That might at least sound plausible.

Exactly theclitterati 😆

That is because it is nonsense.

In your opinion. I thought it was interesting.

You’re talking about feelings lime I don’t feel like a woman but I am one. I just feel like me

That's fair enough for you but I have both. No, I can't explain. It's not just about "feelz" that some dismiss it as though.

Where I get lost I all this is the'transwomen are women'. If this is true then there is no such thing as transwoman, therefore no such thing as transophobia.
But since the T is in GLBT then trans is the right term so transwoman are transwoman not women.
I will also respect pronouns but please don't disrespect me by calling me cos.

Oh FFS, the lengths men will go to, to force themselves into women's spaces!

It's not just about "feelz" that some dismiss it as though.

You literally said it was about your feelings! 😂😂😂

Apengting, I will try and explain things that I believe the male body does that gives me a sense of being a male. I think having a higher sex drives and more testosterone means I'm more proned to violence and following my dick about if I'm not careful. I think having a sense of being male helps me control certain hormonal problems.

I wonder if there's an Internet forum anywhere in the world right now where transmen and their allies are berating men for not being good boys.

Apparently saying transwomen are transwomen is transphobic.

We will never win against accusations of being transphobic because absolutely fucking everything is allegedly transphobic.

I think having a higher sex drives and more testosterone means I'm more proned to violence and following my dick about if I'm not careful. I think having a sense of being male helps me control certain hormonal problems.

Christ on a bike! 🙄🙄🙄

Trebe. I'm a woman and I've never yet met a man with a sex drive to match mine. Sadly..

Is this to do with that hormone wash in the womb nonsense again?

Exactly. You would think if it happened in the womb that we would be able to differentiate the sex of male and female newborns by their brain structures. So far... nope.