To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

awaits tumbleweed*

Their body doesn't match what?

If it's their feelings about themselves, then that's very sad for them, but ultimately I don't see why the law of the land and women's lives should be arranged round a small minority of people's subjective feelings about themselves.

Always down to looks, isn't it?

Not always but very often yes. Why else do transpeople try and change the way they look if not to try and appear more like the sex they want to transition to? Especially transwomen who don't pass so easily.

@QueenofPain it’s not an accurate description of anyone I know or anyone I’ve ever seen posting on MN, no.

And if a person has a penis and is in a dress then he is a man in a dress, isn’t he? I have no problem calling a man Susan if that’s what he wants. But calling him Susan doesn’t make his penis disappear.

How is “man in a dress” with regards trans women not hate speech though?

How is it “hate speech”? It’s not particularly pleasant and I would try to avoid it, but if it’s factually correct - ie, biological male in a dress - then it’s hardly “hate speech”.

@limekiwi Because their body doesn't match?

Match what?

Look, you can't "change sex". Not one person ever has changed sex. And every single human who ever drew breath was grown and birthed by a woman. Woman being an adult human female.

Transwomen are transwomen. There is no conceivable way TW is the same as actual women.

I don't see how staying these basic actual facts is at all transphobic, but I'll bet some in this thread will think they are. Please do show me my phobia. Please show me my fear of tw.

I will not participate in gas Lighting the world with delusions people can change Sex.

I accept all people can wear what they want, look how they want, live how they want (without harming others). I would love to live in a world where we are accepting of each other, without feeling the need to insist others believe mountains of bullshit, or without insisting other people buy into delusions or participate in cult speak such as we are seeing at the moment.

All these people insisting TWAW, are you also supporting homosexuals (especially lesbians) in maintaining their same sex (ie homosexual) relationships? Do you think gay men who don't date TransMen are transphobic? Or do you just apply that to females?

Looks like everyone had the exact same response to your post, LimeKiwi.

Shania Twain! Boom. Bingo. Was waiting for that after someone said "feels"
The thread comes full circle to all the other ones lol.

Feelz even.
Auto correct doesn't like that word either

There is indeed a very peculiar strand running through all these threads:

• OP plays the naive wide-eyed card
• several people "randomly" pop up immediately to say how much they agree...
• which is weird because they also go to great lengths to point out how much they hate the FWR "echo chamber" and have hidden it...
• so it's odd they'd so quickly come onto any thread on MN where they will find all this transphobia they claim is endemic...
• yet can never actually cite any.
• but are very quick to get all the bingo words in
• and where's OP?

Because their body doesn't match?

Match WHAT?

Because their body doesn't match Match WHAT

Read my posts.

Shania Twain! Boom. Bingo. Was waiting for that after someone said "feels"
The thread comes full circle to all the other ones lol.

Well, we’re all waiting with bated breath for you to reveal what exactly the transperson’s body doesn’t match.

Because their body doesn't match?

Match what?

What you mean is it doesnt match how they say they feel?

Now if you, a woman, can not define what being a woman feels like. Why do you believe, someone who has lived as a man for their whole life can define it?

Someone, born Male, may prefer to dress and present themselves to the world, in a way that is their interpretation of what a woman is.

That doesnt mean they are a woman. Its doesnt mean they understand what it is to be woman, especially more than women do.

What has Shania Twain got to do with it?

As far as I can see, the only way to gloss "their body doesn't match" is to say "their body doesn't match their subjective feeling of how it ought to be", i.e. they're suffering from dysphoria about their sexed body. Which, as I said, is very sad for them and must be a remarkably hard hand to have been dealt in life. But doesn't mean the rest of us have to fit round their subjective feelings, anymore than we would fit round the subjective feelings of someone suffering from anorexia or someone who was convinced they ought to have a perfectly healthy limb amputated.

Unless there's some other meaning of "doesn't match" in which case, please tell us what it is.

If TW were actual women they’d have much more self awareness about how women feel about them taking their spaces in sport/politics/business/changing spaces etc
The fact that they don’t give a shit about taking places from women clearly demonstrates TWAM.

Because their body doesn't match Match WHAT

Read my posts.

I have. Still none the wiser as to what you think the body doesn’t match.

As, I suspect, nor are you. Otherwise you would have said “because they feel their body doesn’t match x/y/z.”

@LimeKiwi it’s starting to look like you’ve realised there’s no sense to what you’re saying.

And honestly, I’m sure everyone would have more respect for you if you just held your hands up and said fair enough.

Read my posts? That’s not an answer to anyone’s question!

Their bodies don’t match watch? Seriously, what? I will apologize whole-heartedly if I’ve missed something here.

I in all honesty do not know what else there is beyond biology.

What has Shania Twain got to do with it?
Nothing, but that song always gets referred to.

kwiw we are reading your posts. They dont make sense.

And you still havent answered. If you are so sure there is more than biology at play, but cant put your finger on it and cant define what makes you 'feel' like a woman.

How cab a man be so sure he can put his finger on it and define what it means to feel like a woman?

Scrolling back, it's been mentioned once as a deliberately fatuous comment (as far as I can see). To suddenly bring it up many posts later after the conversation has moved on simply looks like an attempt to evade the question, namely, if you're asserting that transwomen's bodies don't match... and you want your position to be accepted as at least being a coherent attempt at advancing an argument, you need to fill in the sodding elipsis.

Don't match what?

They want to be treated as women, don't they? That's what it's like.
That's not true for everyone though.

Right, so not every woman is verbally abused and sexually assaulted. That's true, although a frighteningly large percentage of women have been.

But women say they experienced these things and they are told they are overreacting, it doesn't happen to everyone etc. But if transwomen say they have been verbally abused and/or assaulted then it is a huge crisis and women must immediately step aside and move over for their safety.

So how do the statistics work? What percentage of women have to be assaulted before they are allowed to be concerned? Does it have to be 100%? In the UK you have a lower statistical chance of being murdered as a transgender person than you do if you are female.

Limekiwi, you've said yourself that a transwoman isn't a woman. No one's got any objections to anyone man or woman dressing and behaving however they want, but men should not be allowed in women's sex segregated spaces because some men are dangerous and we can't tell which ones by looking.

Lime is never going to answer that. Ever. Give it up.

And who can blame them really, as there is no answer. No-one has been able to say what makes a man feel that they are a woman. Because 'feeling like a woman' doesn't exist. If it did we women would all feel the same and clearly we don't. Just look how different our feelings are on this thread alone let alone all around the world.

The only thing we women all have in common is our biology. And it's not something that we share with men. Or transwomen.

thetonsillolth

Really poor form not to come back to your thread

It would be polite to just pop back and say you don’t want to deal with the thread anymore