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To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

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thetonsillolith · 08/06/2019 17:18

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

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Jarnsaxa · 08/06/2019 21:27

I actually don't get why having everybody pretend that you're something you're not would make anyone happy.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 08/06/2019 21:28

LimeKiwi if that post of yours at 19.21 was an answer to my question, you appear to be able to differentiate between trans women and biological women. Why then do you insist that Mumsnet is a transphobic site, full of hatred to trans people. I

KittensinaBlender · 08/06/2019 21:29

No I don't care that some don't pass but I wonder how many times you've shared a "women" only space with a transwoman and not known.

Oh here we go, Schrodinger's Transwoman again. The answer to that is simultaneously a billion times and never.

Jarnsaxa · 08/06/2019 21:33

Why are you celebrating men disguiseing themselves as women so well that they can infiltrate women's privacy?

BoneyBackJefferson · 08/06/2019 21:37

ReapersHowler
Does it hurt you to use a person chosen pronouns?

Which ones?
Some prefer she/her
Some prefer they/them
or ze, sie, hir, co.

Being as we can get in to so much trouble for using the wrong set.

To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?
To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?
TopBitchoftheWitches · 08/06/2019 21:37

This is all a complete pile of misogynistic shit. If you have a penis stay in the male areas. Biological women are scared when biological males are in their fought for spaces

You so called transwomen have no idea what we have been through.

SmileEachDay · 08/06/2019 21:43

Why using “preferred” pronouns does hurt women

Fairenuff · 08/06/2019 21:48

Aren't we all transitioning from the past to the future? None of us knows if that future is going to make us happy or cure our depression.

Transitioning will not make them neurotypical. If they are relying on that they are going to be disappointed.

Shequakes · 08/06/2019 21:49

I work with several trans women, who all distance themseleves from TRAs.

On an individual level transwomen arent hurting anyone by dressing as women.

However the trans movement to try and force to move over and make room wether we want to or not, wether it damages women or not. Wether it pushes put daughters out of sport or not. Whether it puts women off using refuges or not.

That all is hurting women.

On top of the fact that sex can not be changed. I am happy to use the pronoun someone else wants me to use for them. That doesnt mean I am happy about the rest of it.

I am also a bit fed up of humans who are men, raised as men live as men then getting to define 'what a woman is'.

Having concerns and refusing to ignore science is not transphobic.

FermatsTheorem · 08/06/2019 21:53

I've mentioned this before - there's a CBBC gameshow in which contestants have to respond to three quick-fire statements with the words "true" or "false", using the opposite answer from the correct one. So e.g. "The sky is green", "deserts are dry", "Spain is in America."

It's surprisingly difficult to do quickly, with the pressure of a studio audience. The "cognitive load" of doing so is quite high. (Bit like word-matching games where you have the word "green", but in blue font, or the word "large" but in smaller font than the rest of the text, and you time respondent's responses to clicking the mismatched words/colour schemes/font sizes relative to pairs which match).

Now put rules around "misgendering" (i.e. correctly sexing) into a courtroom context - like, for instance, the trial of Maria MacLachlan's attacker, where the judge insisted Maria use the word "she", and when Maria couldn't do this, reduced her attacker's sentence as a result.

Now imagine this in a rape trial... Complainant: "Then he pressed his penis against me..." Defence lawyer and judge: "you have to refer to the defendent as 'she'." Complainant attempts to comply, turns into a stuttering, incoherent mess on the witness stand, bursts into tears as she tries to utter the phrase "her penis."

(This is not a stretch of the imagination. We have seen attempts to compel women to use pronouns in a court setting - Maria MacLachlan. We have seen trans-identifying rapists - Davina Ayrton, Lisa Hauxwell, Karen White, to name but three.)

Compelled use of the wrong pronouns is an assault on women's freedom of speech and ability to accurately describe the reality of the world around them. It's an act of political violence.

Shequakes · 08/06/2019 21:54

I may rethink the pronoun thing.

Thank you for linoing that article. I suppose that the pronoun thing really impacted the Karen White news bulletins.

IndistinctRadioChatter · 08/06/2019 21:54

I’m so with you op

MenstruatorExtraordinaire · 08/06/2019 21:59

But it's just the truth. People can't change their biological sex and we should not be telling children that it is possible.

Males should not be competing against biological females in sports.

Intact males should not be put in female prisons.

LimeKiwi · 08/06/2019 22:04

Has anyone actually said you can biologically change sex?
Must have missed it if so.

Shequakes · 08/06/2019 22:06

Has anyone actually said you can biologically change sex?

If you believe a man can become a woman. Yes. You have said it.

CarolDanvers · 08/06/2019 22:07

What I don't understand is why no one ever goes whining over to Kiwi Farms about their "transphobia"? Why always MN?

BlackForestCake · 08/06/2019 22:07

If all you ever accept is biology and won't entertain the idea of anything else then you're at stalemate I suppose

By jingo, they're starting to understand. Yes, that is all I will accept. The difference between men and women is a biological one.

You're the one who wants to redefine words. You tell us what distinguishes men from women, other than biology.

Jarnsaxa · 08/06/2019 22:09

Well what is a transwoman limekiwi? If no one can change sex, why do transwoman need access to women's sex protected spaces?

jcyclops · 08/06/2019 22:10

I think lots of people believe they were born in the wrong body. I'm pretty sure Elle Macpherson got the one I should have had.

CodenameVillanelle · 08/06/2019 22:10

So far we have
Women can't be transwomen because they are already women
Transwomen need to transition to become women
But transwomen are also already women
Women are not just female people, there is something else
But I can't tell you what the something is

LimeKiwi · 08/06/2019 22:11

What I don't understand is why noone goes whining across to KiwiFarms

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me as I'm a MNer and have no desire whatsoever to venture over there?
Sounds vile over there and I'm not tainting my Google history, don't know what it'll pick up lol

LimeKiwi · 08/06/2019 22:12

I'm pretty sure Elle McPherson got the one I had
Always down to looks, isn't it?

sackrifice · 08/06/2019 22:12

On an individual level transwomen arent hurting anyone by dressing as women.

If this trans woman is AGP then you are a bit part in the sexual fantasy.

So you are involved whether you like it or not.

Jarnsaxa · 08/06/2019 22:12

You're going to say something about gender aren't you? Is that the 'more', the thing that neither you nor anyone else can define? How are we going to make signs for the doors?

GassyAss · 08/06/2019 22:13

I was defo born in the wrong body. I was assigned a short, dumpy body at birth and it’s rubbish.

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