To put up and shut up with the transphobia on here?

[thetonsillolith]

I am fully supportive of the LGBTQ community and don't feel it is my position to question or undermine those who believe they were born in the wrong body.

And yet i see literally hundreds of intolerant posts on here and say nothing. Probably because I'm worried about being shouted down.

This is part of the problem isn't it? I should speak up.

Does anybody else feel like this or is it just me?

awaits tumbleweed*

Lime

You want transwomen to be treated as women because of something 'more' but you can't identify what that 'more' is. You're the expert here. How are the rest of us supposed to be able to identify this 'more' if you can't?

Jamsaxa I was thinking something similar just recently and I genuinely don't see why - by the surreal logic of all this - a woman couldn't identify as a man who identifies as a woman.

Lime:
Women = biological woman
Trans woman = biological.......?

LimeKiwi are you meaning that trans women are socially women but not biologically women?

Me - no, a biological woman isn't a transwoman.
They are a biological woman

Ipso facto a transwoman is not a biological woman and is therefore a...? Biological man, yes?

And if they are a man, as we've just agreed, how then are they a woman, biological or otherwise?

another case of throw the bun & run

Oh i like!!

Read back to jarnsaxas comment.
Try not to twist words and really read it. Then read what I wrote. Carefully and slowly.
I'll try another way for you. I'm not a transwoman as I'm already a woman.
I'm not transitioning. I'm already there.

I come back to this person. This person says they are a woman. Who here in their heart of hearts believes that this TW is a W?

So what do transwomen transition from? If they aren't women until they transition. What are they before?

what is a transwoman transitioning from?

Her past to her future, her misery to her happiness, her depression and self harm to a neurotypical future, a better place in her own mind which is hurting no one.

another case of throw the bun & run

also gather more names for you 'target transphobes on MN' dossier?

They obviously have a biological male body to start with.
But you know that really.
If all you ever accept is biology and won't entertain the idea of anything else then you're at stalemate I suppose

And what @ReapersHowler just said too

How does putting a dress on make a non neurotypical person neurotypical? Are they magic dresses?

Does it hurt you to use a person chosen pronouns? To recognize that they too are just trying to survive a shitty world with whatever means they can? There is a small troublesome amount with very loud voices but this doesn't mean that's all transpeople. The vast majority just want to live their best lives without feeling that everything is a lie and death is the only way out for them. They're not interested in abusing you, or taking over your sports. You talk about them using womens bathrooms but a lot of transwomen pass and you wouldn't know unless they told you. No I don't care that some don't pass but I wonder how many times you've shared a "women" only space with a transwoman and not known.

They obviously have a biological male body to start with

With the little gametes?

If all you ever accept is biology and won't entertain the idea of anything else then you're at stalemate I suppose

What is this “anything else”? In science, I mean.

It doesn't, jarsaxa. Again, we're back to clothes and looks

Her past to her future, her misery to her happiness, her depression and self harm to a neurotypical future, a better place in her own mind which is hurting no one

Oh come on

if all you ever accept is biology and won't entertain the idea of anything else then you're at stalemate I suppose

Why don't you try explaining what the anything else is and we can see if it makes logical sense?

so you are arguing that being trans is in the head - down to being neuro a typical and depressed and having bad life experiences- yet anyone suggesting trans people should have full psychological support are wrong?

Her past to her future, her misery to her happiness, her depression and self harm to a neurotypical future, a better place in her own mind which is hurting no one.

Yes.

But that doesn't mean that transwoman should be using female spaces.

Right, so women can't be transwomen because they are already women but transwomen are women too (apparently), so how are they also transwomen and I am not, for example?

What is the essential quality that differentiates between me and a transwoman?

And if there are no essential qualities that are different, then I too must also be able to be a transwomen, right?

If all you ever accept is biology and won't entertain the idea of anything else then you're at stalemate I suppose

Can you expand on the 'anything else' here please?

What do women and transwomen have in common that women don't have in common with men?