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Words fail me... [warning: contains link to distressing story]

257 replies

Beebeezed · 07/06/2019 22:33

metro.co.uk/2019/06/07/baby-died-mum-took-nightclub-drunkenly-fell-asleep-9871288/

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 08/06/2019 10:54

I’ll bet this child was half starved. She clearly wasn’t feeding him often enough if she can’t wake up to hear him cry. God knows how many times she’s been pissed since he was born. Poor thing.

I suppose threads like this are just an opportunity for people to have a good wank about how exemplary their own behaviour is, in comparison.

😂😂😂

Oh pull the other one.

WorraLiberty · 08/06/2019 11:03

If not getting pissed off your face and killing your 4 week old baby is 'exemplary behaviour', then yes I expect it is.

Ginger1982 · 08/06/2019 12:22

@ReanimatedSGB well i've never done what she did, so yes!

AphidEater · 08/06/2019 12:23

I suppose threads like this are just an opportunity for people to have a good wank about how exemplary their own behaviour is, in comparison.

Please. People aren’t judging a less than stellar lunchbox here. It’s perfectly reasonable to express feelings of distress and anger that a newborn baby was killed due to actions of gross negligence from multiple people.

NoSauce · 08/06/2019 12:26

I suppose threads like this are just an opportunity for people to have a good wank about how exemplary their own behaviour is, in comparison

No. It’s people on a public forum discussing a really horrible story in the news.

FrancisCrawford · 08/06/2019 12:29

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overnightangel · 08/06/2019 12:48

“I suppose threads like this are just an opportunity for people to have a good wank about how exemplary their own behaviour is, in comparison.”

Yes @ReanimatedSGB let’s never discuss anything bad that happens ever, maybe it’ll all go away. I’d say a 22 month sentence for killing a newborn baby and the implications and message it sends is worthy of discussion. But aye crack on with your head in the sand

CatsFace · 08/06/2019 12:49

It's undeniably a distressing and tragic story, but going against the grain here, why are you all fixated on the baby being inside a 'club', whatever kind it was? It didn't kill him.

The article says he had a heart attack. It can't be proven the mother rolled on. It might have been sudden infant death syndrome.

If a mother was on here, saying her 4 week old baby had died suddenly, people would care about her in all of this!

YES, she was drunk. And not capable of looking out for the baby. And did not get him help early enough. But does that make it her fault?

Mississippilessly · 08/06/2019 12:55

Yes it makes it her fault!
He was asleep in a deeply unsafe situation. Even if rolling on him wasnt what killed him she should never have been cosleeping after drinking.

How on earth is any of this defendable?
That poor, poor baby. Words fail me - how can anyone be so cruel.

MarthasGinYard · 08/06/2019 12:55

'YES, she was drunk. And not capable of looking out for the baby. And did not get him help early enough. But does that make it her fault?'

Absolutely IMO

Aprillygirl · 08/06/2019 13:02

And she'll be out in a years time spreading her legs and reproducing innocent little accessories again no doubt. Absolutely sickening, and I can't believe that people like you @CatsFace are trying to claim that that child's death was not it's mother's fault! Who's fucking fault was it then?

ILoveMaxiBondi · 08/06/2019 13:04

YES, she was drunk. And not capable of looking out for the baby. And did not get him help early enough. But does that make it her fault?

Umm, yes, that’s exactly what makes it her fault. She was too drunk to care for the child that was in her care to the extent that she missed the fact he was dying right beside her.

VodselForDinner · 08/06/2019 13:19

Poor child didn’t stand a chance.

Given her inability to stay sober with a 4 week old baby, I doubt she was teetotal and looking after him while pregnant either.

Poor mite had a tragic death, but I dare say his life would probably be even more painful.

I judge her. She’s 100% accountable for this.

TheVeryHungryTortoise · 08/06/2019 13:20

What an awful set of events. That poor poor child! This is a time when it is right to judge this mother's actions. When a mother kills her child through a set of immature decisions she is completely to blame.

I don't expect anyone here is a "perfect" parent. Having a few drinks (or a lot in fact) when you have a baby is fine, as is going out to a nightclub. But to not have made adequate arrangements to safeguard your young child when you cannot care for them is inexcusable. I went on a night out when my baby was 6 weeks old, but my partner was sober at home. I had a few drinks but expressed before and after, checked alcohol content with alcohol testing strips. And I slept on the sofa with baby in a bedside crib next to my partner in bed.

Dieu · 08/06/2019 13:24

You can bet your bottom dollar that she's of low intelligence, attractive, baby was a mistake, father gone as she's got history for attracting the wrong blokes, she's terrified that having the baby will make her less appealing to men (one of the few things she does have success at), which is why she's still clubbing it up and taking men back to caravans, with a newborn in tow (and top quality they must be, to even go along with the craziness Hmm). It's fucking tragic even before the death.
I wonder if she even has the capacity for remorse. The baby didn't have a hope, as he would have been a lifelong victim of his mother's bad choices.

FrancisCrawford · 08/06/2019 13:26

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NoSauce · 08/06/2019 13:29

YES, she was drunk. And not capable of looking out for the baby. And did not get him help early enough. But does that make it her fault?

Who would you blame then?

MistyMinge2 · 08/06/2019 13:36

I'm going to judge away. She's an absolute cunt. I hope her actions haunt her until her dying day.

VodselForDinner · 08/06/2019 13:40

For the people defending her, would a father bringing a newborn to a club, throwing him about, taking him back to a woman’s caravan, and being so drunk that he possible rolled on to the baby, killed him, and couldn’t be roused for an hour afterwards, elicit the same response?

CatsFace · 08/06/2019 13:40

I can't believe that people like you @CatsFace are trying to claim that that child's death was not it's mother's fault! Who's fucking fault was it then?

I'm not claiming - I asked.

Death doesn't have to be someone's fault.

If someone in my family had a heart attack, or any other fatal illness/episode, in the night and I wasn't awake to help, would it be my fault?

This could have happened to the baby even even if the mother was sober.

icantthinkofanothernewname · 08/06/2019 13:43

Jesus this is just terrible

Aprillygirl · 08/06/2019 13:47

You don't have to be Sherlock CatsFace to conclude that throwing a tiny baby about in a nightclub before falling asleep on top of it contributed to it's death ffs!

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 08/06/2019 13:49

While it doesn't take away the awfulness of what she did and I still stand by what I said.
I do agree with the pp. She will be haunted by this for the rest of her life and I don't doubt her mind is in absolute turmoil and no jail sentence could hurt her worse. .

PerkingFaintly · 08/06/2019 13:50

NB CatsFace has either name-changed or joined MN just to post that...

REDCARBLUE · 08/06/2019 13:54

Unfit to breed again.

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