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Words fail me... [warning: contains link to distressing story]

257 replies

Beebeezed · 07/06/2019 22:33

metro.co.uk/2019/06/07/baby-died-mum-took-nightclub-drunkenly-fell-asleep-9871288/

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FrancisCrawford · 07/06/2019 23:49

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 07/06/2019 23:54

I can’t imagine how uncomfortable and painful life must have been for that poor baby in those 4 weeks.

DinkyTie · 07/06/2019 23:54

The mother has been failed, by her family, by the state, by her circumstance

No she wasn't, she's an adult and should have acted responsible. Stop making excuses for selfish and vile behaviour.

The only person let down by everyone was the baby.

Pinkgin22 · 07/06/2019 23:55

You could have put a warning in the Title OP.... this is really upsetting.

Valanice1989 · 08/06/2019 00:03

That’s so awful, but in all honesty the guilt and the pain she will have to carry with her now dwarfs any punishment she could’ve gotten

Not necessarily. Some of the people who commit this sort of crime simply blame everyone but themselves for their actions - they just do not care.

Strokethefurrywall · 08/06/2019 00:08

If she'd gone out, left the baby with a sitter and proceeded to get drunk and accidentally fallen asleep on the baby when she got home, I wouldn't judge that at all.

But throwing her baby around like a rag doll when she was the one person who was supposed to protect him from the misery she inflicted upon him, just beggars belief.

She is not a human being in her right mind and I hope she suffers every day of her life for what she has done to that baby.

I judge and hope she never has the opportunity to do this to another infant.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 08/06/2019 00:10

How someone can look at their beautiful newborn baby they’ve just welcomed into the world and think they want to throw them across a room to someone else is just unfathomable to me.

MirriVan · 08/06/2019 00:15

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Redhanger · 08/06/2019 00:16

Why can no one ever just be responsible for their own actions? She was failed by x y and z. No. She was an unfit mother who neglected and abused her child.

WorraLiberty · 08/06/2019 00:17

Words absolutely fail me here.

It's not often I feel so angry it makes me emotional but I judge that selfish, cunt and I couldn't give a shit if anyone has a problem with that.

RIP that poor baby Thanks

SkintAsASkintThing · 08/06/2019 00:27

I'm judging the hell out of her.

I'm also very surprised her sister wasn't prosecuted as well. Along with everyone else who turned a blind eye that night. That poor baby suffered until its miserable death, it's just awful. Sad

WorraLiberty · 08/06/2019 00:53

The mother has been failed, by her family, by the state, by her circumstance

Oh for fuck sake

She's a grown woman who chose to give birth to a child.

Chose to throw a four week old newborn baby up in the air repeatedly.

Chose to get so drunk off her tits she didn't notice the baby had blood in its mouth.

Chose to get so drunk she couldn't be woken up by her sister or the two strange men she spent the evening at her caravan with.

But you carry on blaming everyone else.

I'm sure you'd do exactly the same if this was the baby's father acting in this manner Hmm

IsabellaLinton · 08/06/2019 01:03

What kind of revolting moral coward would not judge this appalling excuse for a human being?

The mother has been failed, by her family, by the state, by her circumstance

I’m sick of hearing this garbage. Why is her crime everyone else’s fault but her own? Stop making excuses for wicked people who do wicked things! Stop absolving her of blame. It lies solely with her. The only one failed here was the innocent baby.

EL8888 · 08/06/2019 01:09

@WorraLiberty totally this. Why can no one take any blame for their own actions?! No one made her get blind drunk. She chose to do that

IsabellaLinton · 08/06/2019 01:23

Not sure what you’re looking for here.... Everyone to pile on here and judge this woman?

I assume you think your concern for this cretin makes you a paragon of virtue. It doesn’t. It makes you a coward and a narcissist, so spineless that you can’t bring yourself to condemn this woman’s hideous cruelty, and instead use it as an opportunity to big yourself up at this baby’s expense, virtue signal and demonstrate to others what a forgiving, sweet, empathetic person you are.

She deserves nothing but the harshest condemnation. I sincerely hope there’s a hell for her to go to.

Shelvesoutofbooks · 08/06/2019 01:26

Yes I feel sorry for the guilt she will carry for the rest of her life because it is empathy and I can't help it but what I feel more is pure anger at a vile human like this - no matter what your circumstances there is just no excuse for this. I don't care who failed her. SHE did this and I feel much more sorry for the tiny baby that didn't ask to be brought up into this world only to basically be murdered by his own mother after a few weeks of life. It's the child we should have compassion for, not her.

Because I am damn sure if it was the father that did this there would be no "oh it was his circumstances". He would have been ripped to shreads. So it's only fair she recieves the same treatment because THIS IS INEXCUSABLE

Shelvesoutofbooks · 08/06/2019 01:27

How much compassion would you really have if she was related to you? I'll bet you NONE

ReanimatedSGB · 08/06/2019 01:34

What I'm wondering is why there was no one around her to suggest that taking the baby clubbing was a bad idea, or to offer to babysit. And whether she was in her right mind, or suffering from post-natal depression. Where was the baby's father, for instance?

There's also something a bit uncomfortable about the tone of the judge's remarks and the article, as well. Watch out for another bout of 'women can't be trusted with autonomy, look, they are all selfish and need to be more strictly controlled' on the back of this sad but unusual case.

IsabellaLinton · 08/06/2019 01:35

Yes I feel sorry for the guilt she will carry for the rest of her life because it is empathy and I can't help it

Save your sympathy for those who deserve it. It’s an emotion she wouldn’t recognise if it slapped her in the face, given she obviously felt none for an innocent baby.

BrendasUmbrella · 08/06/2019 01:55

She was the sole carer of her four week old child, and she got so drunk on holiday that her sister was not able to make her conscious to tell her what had happened. So she was still sleeping it off while her baby was pronounced dead.

The men at the caravan - no one else's business. Throwing and catching a four week old baby - possibly exaggeration from busybody witnesses. But getting so bladdered that she couldn't wake up to hear her sister screaming that her baby was dead/dying is serious neglect that is worth a few years in prison.

managedmis · 08/06/2019 02:15

Dispicable, once again.

She got 2.5 years? She should have got at least 30.

Shelvesoutofbooks · 08/06/2019 02:47

Isabella I said empathy for a reason - followed by the I can't help it, because I can't. But thanks.

midsomermurderess · 08/06/2019 02:48

'Do you condone her?'. That's one of the stupidest comments I've seen on here.

Whatareyoutalkingabout · 08/06/2019 08:09

Bloody hell. Put your torches and pitchforks away and try to have some compassion. Nothing anyone says can make her feel any worse than she probably already does. She has lost her child, she made AWFUL decisions, yes, but she is MORE than paying the price. I hate these threads. For the rest of her life that woman will be haunted by what she's done, nothing anyone says or does can make her feel worse, so let's just try to have a heart.

ShirleyPhallus · 08/06/2019 08:11

I assume you think your concern for this cretin makes you a paragon of virtue. It doesn’t. It makes you a coward and a narcissist, so spineless that you can’t bring yourself to condemn this woman’s hideous cruelty, and instead use it as an opportunity to big yourself up at this baby’s expense, virtue signal and demonstrate to others what a forgiving, sweet, empathetic person you are.

Oh fuck off Hmm

My question was that it is so obvious that this was an unnecessary waste of life, that she deserves more prison time, that what happened to the baby was so awful that why on earth do we need a thread on it? It’s like people coming on to AIBU to ask questions which are so obviously one sided that the thread isn’t even necessary.