To think there seems no depth to which remainers...

[Dana28]

Will not stoop in persecuting Brexiteers. Childish namecalling 'thick', 'racist' 'gammon', and now the vexatious private prosecution against Boris Johnson which was quashed before it even got to court.

Sadly BJ, Gove, Rees Mogg et al will escape unscathed and the price will be paid by the soon to be unemployed car workers, the thousands of retail workers and the additional thousands in supply chain jobs. All because uninformed people were conned into believing their lives would improve and nobody wants to admit they were conned. It's easier to blame others for your own mistakes than to admit to being turned over by a bunch of chancers, charlatans, spivs and con men.

Yes

Given that the referendum was now 3 years ago and based on no little information or true facts, I think a fresh referendum ought to be happening as a minimum (although I'd rather revoke article 50)

It seems outrageous that the Scots shouldn't be allowed another indy vote given that they didn't vote Brexit. But also, nor did London. Why should London be stuck with it. It feels like the UK would rather fracture off into tiny little sub sections

If Boris Johnson had used the net figure - £200m per week/£250m per week - would that have made any difference to how people voted? Those figures seem like an incredible amount of money to me anyway.

Going back to FullFact - the Government appear to have promised £394 million a week for the NHS by 2023/24 - which is more than the £350m a week quoted by Boris;

“When we leave the EU we won’t be sending, you know, the vast amounts of money to the EU every year that we do at the moment. That means we will have money to spend on priorities like the NHS" … "We’ve set out that we’ll be putting more money into the NHS over the next five years, and it will mean £394 million more a week more going into our National Health Service.”

Theresa May, 16 November 2018

fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/

I’m quite looking forward to Boris being elected as PM. His arse will barely touch the front bench before the government is no confidenced and he’s leader of the opposition. Shadenfraude.

The net contributions is less than 1 percent of public spending it isnt a vast amount.

Oh and its a projected increase for 23/24, it hasn't happened yet. As a percentage of NHS budget it works out at about a 16 percent increase, but this doesn't mean its in real terms.

Very disingenuous.

The net contributions are less than 1 percent of public spending it isn't a vast amount.

In which case, why is everyone so upset about the £350m per week?

I can see that Boris being elected might be good in that he'll be shitting himself about having to deliver the promised land that doesn't exist

Because it was an incorrect figure to stsrt with, gross not net contribution and it wad implied that the money would go to the NHS. Disingenuously.

Oh and the spending increases for the NHS for 2023/24 will work out as 2.6 percent per year.

Below RPI inflation then.

Why is being held account for lies he told persecution?

Because leavers all have victim mentality.

Why is everyone so upset about the £350m a week? Because it was a fucking lie.

If an advertiser lied about their product they would be challenged - if a politician knowingly lies it should be no different. I have absolutely no problem with somene having a different viewpoint - I'll argue my case but that's fine - but to lie really gets to me. Even the Boris character we see is false - a carefully constructed, standing at the side of a stage ruffling his hair before going on, lie.

Because it was an incorrect figure to start with, gross not net contribution and it wad implied that the money would go to the NHS.

I am 'ok' with Boris Johnson's 'lie' being dealt with accordingly - but I still think that if the figure on the side of the bus was only £200m per week - the impact would have been the same.

George Osborne and David Cameron warned everyone that;

"Britain’s economy would be tipped into a year-long recession, with at least 500,000 jobs lost and GDP around 3.6% lower, following a vote to leave the EU, new Treasury analysis launched today by the Prime Minister and Chancellor shows." - and we still voted to Leave!

www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-enter-recession-with-500000-uk-jobs-lost-if-it-left-eu-new-treasury-analysis-shows

GDP has been lower.

That was a forecast too, not an outright lie. That situation was avoided by Cameron resigning and not declaring article 50 on day one, as he had said he would. The forecast was based on those parameters.It also didn't take into account the BOE intervention which kept banks lending.
However, inflation rose, GDP growth was lower, investment stalled.

Yeah, Brexiteers may have told outrageous and forthright lies to the British public, misled voters, and stirred up a rancid form of jingoism to the point where an MP was actually murdered, but at least they never called us childish.

the impact would have been the same

Maybe. But with that, plus the funds that were used illegally to boost the leave campaign, we will never know.

But shouldn't we have been given the right to know what the result would have been, had the truth been told and the campaigns funded legally?

But with that, plus the funds that were used illegally to boost the leave campaign

Do you have an estimated figure for the 'illegal funds'?

On the Electoral Commission website the 'official' spending is much higher for the remain campaign - and that doesn't include the government's £9 million pro-remain leaflet sent to every household;

•Remain: £19,309,588
•Leave: £13,332,569

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/campaign-spending-and-donations-at-referendums/campaign-spending-at-the-eu-referendum

Using the 9 million as part of remain spending is disingenuous. The act that brought the referendum about said the government must publish a leaflet setting out its position.

I'd actually like to put a value on the right wing press support for leave.

I don't, but obviously those figures don't include the figures for the unofficial leave.eu campaign headed up by farage, of which £8million was being investigated, I don't know what the absolute total funding for that campaign was.

Nor do they contain figures for Cambridge Analytica work which was donated.

Do you have an estimated figure for the 'illegal funds'?

Well clavinova you could easily find that yourself, given that you obviously know how to find information on the EC website.

The Commission found that:

Leave.EU failed to include a minimum of £77,380 in its spending return, thereby exceeding its spending limit by more than 10%. The Commission is satisfied that the actual figure was in fact greater, given the failure to report an appropriate proportion of the cost of services provided by Goddard Gunster.

Leave.EU did not correctly report the receipt of three regulated transactions from Mr Arron Banks, totalling £6million. The dates the transactions were entered into, the repayment date, the interest rate and the provider of the transactions were all incorrectly reported.

Leave.EU paid for services from the US campaign strategy firm Goddard Gunster that should have been reported in its spending return but were not.

Leave.EU failed to include in its referendum spending return, spending of £77,380 in fees paid to the company Better for the Country Limited as its campaign organiser.

Leave.EU failed to provide the required invoice or receipt for 97 payments of over £200, cumulatively totalling £80,224.

Cambridge Analytica - correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the social media campaign for leave that, when looked into, was considered to have potentially made the difference between a leave result and a remain result?

*the organisation behind the social media campaign to be accurate

Using the 9 million as part of remain spending is disingenuous.

The Guardian doesn't think so...

"Even if there were some proof of wrongdoing-Brexiters could plausibly argue that there is no evidence that the £2.9m that was spent from the £8m would have had a decisive impact on the result."

"The argument would be that Leave.EU was the unofficial campaign, and however much it spent, it was notably less than the £9m in taxpayers’ money spent by the government before the referendum so every household in England could receive a glossy 14-page pro-remain booklet."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/arron-banks-inquiry-why-is-8m-leaveeu-funding-under-review

The reason why remainers are pissed off is because we don't want an economic and social disaster in the UK when things are already far from rosy atm thanks to the Tories.

I would counter your statement OP in saying that there is no amount of denial that is too much for a Leaver. They all think that everything will be ok because it always has been. And that's why people get frustrated and call them 'thick'