Lesbian couple assaulted on a London bus because when they refused to kiss in front of a gang of men.

[AngeloMysterioso]

metro.co.uk/2019/06/07/gay-couple-beaten-refusing-kiss-mens-entertainment-9854367/

There aren’t really words to describe how sickened I am by this. In the city I’m proud to live in, in the middle of fucking Pride month, two women have been beaten up because they didn’t want to put on a show for some disgusting men.

They may not have asked men to kiss before assaulting them but that doesn't mean they would have left men alone.

We’ve no way of knowing either way, do we? Fact is, it started because they did ask two women to kiss for their entertainment, and became violent when they refused.

So there is a fifteen year old, a sixteen year old and an eighteen year old, plus two others who are somewhere in between. So some boys. What is going to happen? And as an ironic follow up to my worry, what on earth were they doing on a bus at that time (I have younger children, happy t be told its normal)
Does anyone know what they're likely to be charged with and typical sentences?

We’ve no way of knowing either way, do we? Fact is, it started because they did ask two women to kiss for their entertainment, and became violent when they refused.

I know that nobody has ever asked me (a straight woman) to kiss a female friend for their entertainment despite that fact that I have been on many buses, trains etc with female friends. This was mainly a homophobic attack.

It’s bloody awful I think I think they probably know about the law and their rights more than we do.

I don't think straight women should co-opt this horrific attack to make it about misogyny and the patriarchy.

I think it's both. If these women had been gay men, they might have got a beating, but I doubt if they would have been harrassed to kiss one another for the amusement of these morons.

There's a certain type of man who finds lesbianism erotic, while hating it at the same time.

Dungeondragon15

Oh my God!! Again... I never said that it was not a homophobic attack. Only that there are more types of homophobia than just disliking all gay people.

Can’t you read?

Took less time than usual for the 'not all men' crowd to turn up.

This attack was vile. It made me so angry to read of it. I think it it a mix between homophobia, misogyny and male sexual entitlement. Thats not to try and diminish the homophobic side by adding on other reason I see for this, I just think its a mix. Some people I know have been actively trying to make out that homophobia was not a part of thi sat all, which is clearly ridiculous and makes me a little suspicious of their motives for doing so. Same as I question the motives of the 'NAMALT' lot.

There does seem to be more homophobia recently.

I think that political events have created a climate where some people feel that their prejudices have been somewhat legitimised. I've certainly heard a lot more openly racist and xenophobic shite since the bloody referendum.

I called a woman out on her xenophobic speech in the hairdressers on Monday. She was having a right anti-immigration rant - in the hairdressers, ffs.

Thankfully, I see/hear next to no homophobia. But then I live in a liberal-minded town, work for a very diverse organisation and am in an area where there is a higher than average gay population.

I fear for what this country is turning into.

Caucho: I don’t know why people are arguing whether it is homophobic or misogynistic
Yes it matters!!! I am a lesbian and this was a homophobic attack. Specifically an attack on two lesbians. I hold my wife's hand in the street and sometimes we share a little kiss. Every time we do these things we are making a political statement, because personal=political when you are a member of a minority group. This was a homophobic attack. It was also misogyny. Lesbians are at the sharp end when it comes to experiencing misogyny as they are not regarded as real women and endure corrective attacks and rape, and because they are being erased by the transactivist agenda.

Oh my God!! Again... I never said that it was not a homophobic attack. Only that there are more types of homophobia than just disliking all gay people.

Can’t you read?

Yes, I can read and I think you are talking rubbish. What do you mean by "different types of homophobia".

I think that political events have created a climate where some people feel that their prejudices have been somewhat legitimised

They are being legitimised

twitter.com/timescorbyn/status/1137357284223410176

Gosh, that's absolutely shocking. In London. WTF.

One of the victims said:

“The violence is not only because we are women which are dating each other. It’s also because we are women.”

The AIBU was about 2 lesbians being attacked;
it's understandable to say that gay men get attacked too, but the whole thread shouldn't then become dominated by whether they get attacked as often

It keeps happening that such theads get diverted into different vulnerable groups attacking each other verbally, instead of the homophobes - who are laughing

I would regard it as being derailing if an AIBU was about 2 gay men being beaten up and then 1 or 2 posters made it all about lesbians being attacked too.

Me and DW are careful in public because of this kind of thing, been verbally and physically abused before when with girlfriends. It's why we still need Pride events, and LGBT relationships taught as part of PHSE in schools.

The thread isn’t being dominated by those saying it’s men too. It’s being dominated by those saying it’s all about misogyny. They are also the ones dividing victims into groups.Others are simply saying no it was a homophobic incident, plenty of male couples suffer similar.

And re your derailing comment, if the sexes were reversed and similar comments were said I certainly wouldn’t class it as derailing.

Bastards. Weren't the perpetrators really young? That just makes it even more depressing.

Yep, teens.
I'm heartened by the outpouring of shock and outrage though. I can't remember the last thing that was shared as much as this story on social media.

oyster

Ive just read that there has been a whole lot of trolling as well

This was on my FB newsfeed. Shocking.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7118543/London-bus-attack-pair-subjected-stream-vile-homophobic-insults-online-police-probe-CCTV.html

I like the fact that the daily mail have published the names and pictures of three people though.

This is getting more attention because it happened to women. It's horrific of course, but I wonder how many men are reading this news items and wondering why no-one gave a damn when it was them.

I got flack for this, but it turns out that one of the women involved feels the same way
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/14/homophobic-attack-bus-outrage-media-white

"The photo of me and my date went viral after our attack – but only as we’re white, feminine and cisgender. Sympathy and action must be for all"

No, I don't think that's what she's saying.

I could be wrong, but I'd assume 'feminine' in this context means feminine as opposed to butch. Otherwise she'd have said 'only as we're white, female and cisgender' or 'only as we're women,' surely?

Late to this but I’m amazed anyone would think the driver would do anything. I’ve been abused more than once on London buses and witnessed others being abused (quite common tbh) and not once has the driver ever intervened. In fact when I called tfl to complain once after being badly abused on a bus I was told the driver wasn’t suppose to get involved and it was up to me to call the police if I felt threatened.

I think that article is amazing -- the cis lesbian victim of violence is urging people to stand up for all vulnerable people who experience prejudice due to their sexual identity, including trans people.