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AIBU to expect SAHM (my wife) to organise child care

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ustbxh · 04/06/2019 11:17

My wife is a STHM by choice. I fully support this decision, but would equally fully support her going to to work, anywhere from part to full time if she wished.

Were going through a very rough time, but this issue isn't new, however emotions are maybe more upfront than they previously have been.

We are going on holiday this week (without the kids 3&6yo) and she was supposed to have arenwged nursery for the youngest however she had not done so in time and they are fully booked.

She has now complained that I could have done it and that it isn't "her job". I disagree with that statement as I feel its equivalent of me expecting her to arrange things in my work, but I am wondering if IABU.

Yes they are our kids, but it's like like me claiming my job is our job because its our only source of income, yet I have sole responsibility for that.

I'd love to hear some SAHM's opinions on this.

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GreenTulips · 04/06/2019 16:01

Because he’s supposed to be away this afternoon with his wife

ustbxh · 04/06/2019 16:06

@Notabedofroses

No "wife" expectations. But She's the one who's decided she wants to separate but not willing to say she wants a divorce, she's the one who still wants to be a SAHM and declare she's separated in the same sentence. She's the one who is happy to still get a significant amount of disposable income (we each get "pocket money" to do as we wish with), so forgive me if I expect her to still behave like a full time SAHM. As I said, I've never encouraged or discouraged her to be a SAHM that's completely her choice.

The holiday is just a pre planned trip.

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GraceSlicksRabbit · 04/06/2019 16:09

Yes DPotter- he is literally on his way to his make-it or break-it holiday with his estranged wife right now! Not the best start if he is knee deep in MN and getting riled up by what he is reading. Put the phone down OP! Hopefully you’ll be having to go into airplane mode soon?

SinkGirl · 04/06/2019 16:11

It’s not her job because being a SAHP is not a job. I don’t know why you’re so fixated on the word job. I’ve had ridiculously stressful jobs in my time and they were a bloody spa break compared to my experience of being a parent.

(In fairness, we have twins with disabilities and no family support so not everyone will have quite so much going on).

Being the main carer to a child / children is nothing like a job. You’re thinking of it in terms of tasks, like in your own job, and that you cook dinner, take the kids out etc, but what you’re forgetting is mental load that comes with taking on most of the responsibility for two children. It’s not the constant wrangling and running around that exhausts me, it’s the mental load, the sheer volume of things I have to keep in my head, manage to remember to do.

For example:

  • What size clothes are the kids in? They need some new trousers and the only place I’m going to is tesco, but they take a different size there, what size are they again?
  • they also need shoes - can only get those from Asda, what size were the last ones?
  • need to go and look round three schools next week - call to book appointments, make sure that doesn’t clash with the 800 other appointments, make sure DH can take care of the boys, remind him to tell his boss
  • the boys need swimming stuff - what do they need? Did you know there’s about fifty different possible combination of disposable swim nappies and reusables and wraps and liners, rash vests, swim suits, floats, vests, jackets etc?
  • They are both seeing their paediatrician on Friday - just remembered I need to call up for some forms, fill those in (referencing other information) and remember to take them
  • Just had meetings at nursery yesterday for which I had to prepare a load of information, and as a result of that two more meetings have been scheduled
  • Applied for DLA for one of the twins, still heard nothing so need to chase that up
  • need to sort out the two years worth of kids clothes and toys that have been stuffed into the loft
  • need to go through their clothes and weed out the stuff they’ve outgrown again
  • ophthalmology appointment hasn’t shown up so need to chase that
  • have to start the EHCP process for both boys - dreading this
  • oh crap, forgot to order medications after I had to cancel (for the second time) a GP appointment for me because the boys needed something doing instead - they won’t take requests over the phone so I need to fill in a form and post it
  • did the nursery run out of nappies? What about wipes? Wait, where’s DT1’s bag gone?

This is just the first things on the top of my head. They’ll be different to all parents but each time I think of one thing I need to do, five more jump into my head, I get overwhelmed and panic. It’s bloody exhausting.

If my DH ever pulled the whole “it’s your job” line on me when I dropped a ball, he’d be my ex husband. He’s not perfect and drives me insane sometimes but generally he would never speak to me like that, ever, because he knows I am absolutely drowning as it is. He will offer to take whole tasks off my hands (he’s currently dealing with remortgaging so I don’t have to think about it at all) but the default position that things relating to the kids is the mother’s responsibility is not conducive to a happy relationship. This sort of seemingly easy, isolated task (making one call unrelated to anything else and it being sorted in 30 seconds) is exactly the sort of thing that can improve relations.

You also sound like you think you’re doing her a favour by a) letting her not work (when she’s saving you money in childcare and giving your kids a parent who’s always present, and b) sharing the parenting load. If that’s not how you feel then you might need to think about how you’re coming across.

The fact that you were able to sort out her mistake with a quick call demonstrates that the blaming and unpleasantness was unnecessary.

Maybe on this holiday you can ask her to be very honest about how she feels about the division of duties in your relationship. You may not like the answer, however.

And again, I’m guessing you booked the trip since she didn’t want to go, but other than that:

  • who did the laundry?
  • who did the packing?
  • who figured out what the boys would need for a week, think through all the eventualities, pack their stuff?
And so on...
GreenTulips · 04/06/2019 16:11

Well when you separate you will have to cook clean and organise childcare in your time - you will also have to shop and prepare food, book doctors appointments and take days off when they’re sick.

You just can’t let anything go can you?

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/06/2019 16:11

so forgive me if I expect her to still behave like a full time SAHM

Tone. You sound like she's an underling at work.

timeisnotaline · 04/06/2019 16:12

If you simply posted about the relationship everyone would tell you to work out a proper separation, not passively let her maintain status quo while saying she’s separated. You might be better off doing that than this rather miserable little scenario with a serious dripfeed.

ustbxh · 04/06/2019 16:13

@MrsTerryPratchett

You're very right about a lot, my tone is an issue, but it's an accumulation on things but it certainly needs improving, I'd never disagree with that.

Regarding the mess etc totally agree with that, I'd never complain the house was a mess, the fact it never is means it's not really a thing I've had to think about but I don't have any illussions about living in some perfect pristine world with children. That's not an issue and never will be.

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herculepoirot2 · 04/06/2019 16:15

This is one of those squabbles that precedes divorce. All the forgiveness and picking up slack is gone and there is just quantification and recrimination. It’s sad.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 04/06/2019 16:22

"you should have done it 2 weeks ago when you said"

Do you find that helps the situation?

Judging by what I read on MN AIBU it's the most common response, and usually* supported by everyone.

*when the OP is female.

merrygoround51 · 04/06/2019 16:28

Ustbxh
You would be right to be irked by having a wife who wanted to stay at home but share the home admin. Yes that should have been her responsibility. However there are lots of buts

  • maybe she was overwhelmed
  • maybe she doesnt want to go
  • maybe she is just lazy and demotivated
............................................

However, if you do want your marriage to survive then you need to be able to swallow some of the things she should have done and she needs to do the same. No one is perfect

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/06/2019 16:32

Judging by what I read on MN AIBU it's the most common response, and usually supported by everyone.

when the OP is female.

And if OP wanted the usuals 'she's a lazy bitch fuck her' responses he could have gone to reddit or the million other places online that women are blamed for everything. He came here.

ustbxh · 04/06/2019 16:36

@GreenTulips

I cook, clean and organise childcare already. I organise childcare when I'm hundreds of miles away for work so she can go to the gym. This was a single isolated incident and I wanted some opinions. Not quite what I was expecting, but heyho.

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merrygoround51 · 04/06/2019 16:41

I organise childcare when I'm hundreds of miles away for work so she can go to the gym.

Seriously??? Well if so then there is something wrong here. I know of no marriage where a partner does this - unless they agreed to be home at a certain time and let their SAHP.

You need to sit down and talk about division of responsibilities here and clear the air.

I would guess that your wife needs to get some kind of job, it sounds like she might be taking the pampered thing too far

pearses · 04/06/2019 16:42

@deydododatdodontdeydo there wouldn't be many posts here about
great husband who does 99% of things perfectly and then makes one mistake. Some of the stories from wives are horrific.

Imo you get a split second when someone fucks up to decide whether to show you are a team or be a dick about it.

Either way, there is clearly bigger issues than this one exchange, which was all most people gave advice about. There is clearly a bigger picture.

ustbxh · 04/06/2019 16:42

@merrygoround51

Yes, less so now as she's changed gyms, but used to regularly ring my parents and ask them to have the kids so she could go to the gym.

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Teddybear45 · 04/06/2019 16:46

If she isn’t arranging childcare what is the point of her being being a sahm? OP you need to remind her who is funding this and if she still insists on sharing, then you need to tell her she needs to return to work. What she’s doing is unfair to you.

MissMarple0203 · 04/06/2019 16:47

I'm actually quite shocked by some of the responses you have received. I don't think UABU at all. Both myself and my husband work, My work is more flexible so I see it as my responsibility to deal with all life admin, child care, activities, dentist, drs etc.

ustbxh · 04/06/2019 16:47

@pearses

Absolutely. There's 3+ years of absolutely unfulfilling marriage, which we're both responsible for. That's exactly why I tried to get the OP very specific.

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00100001 · 04/06/2019 16:48

I'm confused.

You're getting divorced, but going on holiday together? Confused

ineedtostopbeingsolazy · 04/06/2019 16:50

Well, when I was sahm I would have sorted this. I wouldn't have expected dh to sort this when he was at work. And that's because of any other reason than it's easier and it makes more sense for me to have done it.
However, your wife saying it's not her job is probably her on the defensive because even though she's at home it's not like she's got nothing else to do. Things slip people's mind and sorting out trying to go away with sorting out the kids is a job in itself.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 04/06/2019 16:51

Did you both agree she’d do it. As in a proper conversation ?

‘Hey dw, what do you think we should do with the dc whilst we are in holiday? ’

It’s a bit U to expect her to sort it without actually have the conversation between the two of you. She’s not a mind reader, for all she knew, you might have already done it

However I do agree, that she is best placed to sort it whilst you are at work

ustbxh · 04/06/2019 16:52

@00100001

You're not the only one.

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Tinkobell · 04/06/2019 16:53

I cook, clean and organise childcare already. I organise childcare when I'm hundreds of miles away for work so she can go to the gym
But HOW do you do that OP? Do you get back from your business trip hundreds of miles away to old breakfast plates left out and kids that haven't eaten all day - til you get in late evening then roll your sleeves up? Oh come on.
And if you need to organise childcare for your wife to attend the gym, what happens? Er, does she leave the kids in the house and swan out the door or could she pick up the phone and sort her own child cover perhaps. What you are saying makes no sense. It makes no sense at all. I just don't think your wife sadly prioritised your away treat as being that important. From the way you describe her, if she'd won a free ticket to ladies day at Royal Ascot she'd soon have the childcare sorted pretty sharpish.

pearses · 04/06/2019 16:57

@ustbxh that's the problem in here, you were specific about one single interaction and if you add more you are called out for drip feeding.

You should try writing out what you feel about the whole situation, how you got here and see if you can figure out where you want to go - maybe use the relationship board as opposed to aibu.

Its sounds a bit like you are waiting on her to make her decision about your future and you will just do what she decides - just my interpretation and I could be wrong. Do you want to stay together?