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Is Donald Trump ill? Otherwise what would explain such imbecility?

573 replies

longwayoff · 03/06/2019 10:33

Has he missed some 💊 on his international flight? Who visits someone and promptly pisses on the doorstep? His comments about Sadiq Khan are beyond disgraceful. Disgusting creature.

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IsabellaLinton · 03/06/2019 13:54

Putting aside the insults to Khan, Trump can’t keep his nose out. Pronouncing on Brexit, advocating no deal, endorsing leadership candidates - none of this is his business. He seems to think the UK is an American colony

Obama did the same - he made a special visit, in fact, purely to tell us that we’d better not vote to Leave or we’d be at the back of the queue for a trade deal. That backfired spectacularly.

sleepyhead · 03/06/2019 13:54

It's weird how we have all these posters plopping on and saying that Saddiq Khan "started it".

Asides for that being a hardly credible excuse for the President of the US acting like a twat in front of the world (we don't excuse children when they use the "he started it line" Hmm), I don't see any evidence of this.

Tanith · 03/06/2019 13:55

I find it fascinating how this thread has been turned into an attack on Khan, almost without a shred of evidence.

Alsohuman · 03/06/2019 13:59

Obama being wrong doesn’t make Trump right.

hilbobaggins · 03/06/2019 14:00

He has frozen TfL fares and brought in night tubes, secured funding for housing

The impact of freezing the fares (for some not all passengers) which coincided with a cut in government grants is that TFL is now struggling to pay interest on its debts, which in turn has meant that it’s had to cut back on the bus network, road maintenance and other investment programmes. This is a badly thought-through policy with negative longer term impact.

His housing policy has not been a success. I personally think that he massively over-promised on his building plans and has not been able to live up the expectations he set. He built far fewer homes than Boris during his first 2 years in office. He is now looking again at rent control measures which may have short-term positive impact (and win him the 2020 election) but there is a longer-term impact which is that rent control discourages private developers from building new properties. Again, another short term badly thought through policy.

He’s big into identity politics, so if you’re into that you’ll love him - endlessly banging on about diversity and spending time on important things like campaigns to make sure that cycling is acceptably inclusive by his standards. Because god forbid too many white men dominate the cycling lanes or that people should be able to determine for themselves as individuals whether they wish to cycle. No, our great mayor will make that determination for us based on his statistics about skin colour and gender!

Oh and everything that goes wrong is always the Tories’ fault. Always.

I voted for the guy and find him to be a massive disappointment.

Gth1234 · 03/06/2019 14:01

I find it fascinating how this thread has been turned into an attack on Khan, almost without a shred of evidence.

because the OP expressed the view that the POTUS must be mad to attack Khan, while ignoring the circumstances of Khan's asinine behaviour.

IsItBetter · 03/06/2019 14:01

Sounds like the Khan fans need to get back to their safe spaces.

Fact is the guy's comments over the last couple of days about being "like the fascists of the 20th century" are deeply disgraceful and an affront to the UK's deep friendship with the US.

Approaching the 75th anniversary of the D day landings, which Trump is here to commemorate, they become especially disgusting. Khan should concentrate on the lawless disgrace which is happening in his London back yard. He doesn't represent me or the wider UK.

LillithsFamiliar · 03/06/2019 14:03

helmet you're rather proving my point by deliberately taking my comment out of context. I wasn't responding to the anti-semitism comment. It was so deliberately wrong-headed, it didn't merit a reply.
It's also obvious that the Orthodox community is much smaller but maybe I was over-estimating the knowledge on this thread.

IsabellaLinton · 03/06/2019 14:04

I find it staggeringly that there are people on this thread defending Trump's behaviour

While I’m not a fan of Trump, I find the protesting and whining over this visit excruciatingly embarrassing. He’s the President the US chose. It shows such disrespect to Americans who voted for him to behave in this fashion. Our politicians need to shut their mouths and mind their manners. Especially in light of Brexit, this is no time to be making enemies. Our list of friends and allies will be short indeed.

Thallo · 03/06/2019 14:05

Approaching the 75th anniversary of the D day landings, which Trump is here to commemorate, they become especially disgusting.

Yeah, he’s got so much respect for the war dead doesn’t he? Like the time he flew to Paris to attend a service for the American dead at the Aisne-Marne cemetery and then refused to leave his hotel room?

longwayoff · 03/06/2019 14:06

I agree sleepy and tanith. I assume someone's paying them to do the usual right wing thing of taking the truth, twisting it then accusing the accuser of being the initiator. Very odd.

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hilbobaggins · 03/06/2019 14:10

Oh and he didn’t “bring in night tubes”. The policy was announced by TFL in 2014, planned for during the next 2 years, delayed throughout 2015 by strikes and finally launched 100 days after SK came into office. It’s typical of him that he took all the political credit for it.

PigletJohn · 03/06/2019 14:10

" Like the time he flew to Paris to attend a service for the American dead at the Aisne-Marne cemetery and then refused to leave his hotel room?"

Be fair, it was raining.

Lweji · 03/06/2019 14:13

He’s the President the US chose

Not by popular vote, though. He's the President that the Electoral College chose.

Alsohuman · 03/06/2019 14:15

Perhaps if Trump showed us some respect @IsabellaLinton .... It works two ways. Telling us how to run our country is so respectful.

SoupDragon · 03/06/2019 14:16

Fact is the guy's comments over the last couple of days about being "like the fascists of the 20th century" are deeply disgraceful and an affront to the UK's deep friendship with the US.

That is not fact, it is your personal opinion.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/06/2019 14:17

What about when Trump said about John McCain, 5 years prisoner of war in Vietnam:

“He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured? I like people who weren’t captured,”

said by Trump who dodged the draft....

He and Khan are just the same...blah blah blah.

SoupDragon · 03/06/2019 14:18

...or that people should be able to determine for themselves as individuals whether they wish to cycle.

Eh?

Lweji · 03/06/2019 14:18

If you don't want to be called "like a fascist", then don't act like one. Simples.

IsabellaLinton · 03/06/2019 14:18

Approaching the 75th anniversary of the D day landings, which Trump is here to commemorate

This is the point. This is no time for grandstanding. Thousands upon thousands of men and boys risked their lives on those beaches in Normandy for our sakes - affording us the opportunity to sit here in safety and comfort and complain about the US President. We should be entirely focused on their sacrifices and the endless graves in Normandy that testify to their efforts.

My grandad was on Sword beach with four of his brothers - he was sixteen, crying and terrified but he got out of that landing craft and he ran and he fought. I’m grateful to him beyond words and I’m disgusted that people are detracting from this commemoration by bickering and sniping. It’s pathetic. It’s shameful. We’re ungrateful and unworthy.

SoupDragon · 03/06/2019 14:24

soupdragon Yes quite sure thank you for checking

Is ULEZ a myth then? And the Violent Crime Taskforce?

I will be very glad for London to see a dynamic female Mayor that makes herself visible and champions business.

Yeah, because females are always brilliant aren't they... oh, wait.

NoineNoine · 03/06/2019 14:25

No one is being professional here. I find the baby balloon as stupid as Trump's inane comments. Personal feelings should not be getting in the way of their jobs.

limitedperiodonly · 03/06/2019 14:25

The statesmanlike and diplomatic response to being told of Meghan Markle's comments about him before he became President would have been: 'Oh, did she? I didn't know that. I'm looking forward to meeting the Queen and the rest of the Duchess's new family, including her husband, and hope she will be there too.'

But Trump is not a statesman or a diplomat.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 03/06/2019 14:25

Helmet you keep twisting posters’ words.

I said they were as bad as each other in this particular spat, why do you keep bringing up what Trump said in other instances?

No one can disagree he was wrong to say this about McCain, but it’s not connected to today’s furore.

Alsohuman · 03/06/2019 14:27

Of course it’s connected to the current furore. It’s further evidence of how crass and disrespectful he is.