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Is Donald Trump ill? Otherwise what would explain such imbecility?

573 replies

longwayoff · 03/06/2019 10:33

Has he missed some 💊 on his international flight? Who visits someone and promptly pisses on the doorstep? His comments about Sadiq Khan are beyond disgraceful. Disgusting creature.

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PickleC · 03/06/2019 13:18

I'm not blindly supportive of Sadiq Khan but he has been a good mayor. It feels like he cares about and works for the city rather than seeing it as a springboard for his career (unlike the previous waste of oxygen). He has provided leadership when attacks or disasters like Grenfell have happened. He has frozen TfL fares and brought in night tubes, secured funding for housing (never enough, wish it were a lot more, but a start) and has consistently stuck up for London through all the Brexit machinations.

There is one big reason why Trump has a problem with him and it has nothing to do with his record in office and everything to do with Trump's own set of prejudices and racist attitude.

countrygirl99 · 03/06/2019 13:19

Trees have been planted outside one of our branches in London. Pickpockets use them to hide and watch people to choose their victims. Now people are campaigning to have them removed.

SoupDragon · 03/06/2019 13:19

He has done nothing at all to address the serious issues of knife crime, cyclists being killed every day on the roads, pollution or any number of things that are important to our lives every day.

Are you sure?

Gth1234 · 03/06/2019 13:19

au contraire.

His comments about Sadiq Khan are perfectly reasonable. The mayor of London is encouraging the UK to insult the president of the US.

What don't you get? Anybody who votes for Sadiq Khan is tarred by the same brush.

In the same way it is unbelievable that MPs especially a potential PM would march in protest against the President. (while at the same time lauding barbarous regimes around the world)

Revenge is surely a dish served cold, and supplying ammo to the US to take revenge in the future is not wise.

For the same reason HM should most likely have told the Duchess of Sussex to grow up, leave Archie with a nanny, or Doria, and also take tea with the POTUS. Maybe include Doria in the Royal party. Still Meghan has form for nastiness.

Turning down banquets as well. What is wrong with these people.

As the OP was talking about peeing, it would be a lot better to have the POTUS inside the tent, peeing out, than outside the tent, peeing in. As they say.

I just don't understand people objecting to the president. Maybe it's more anti-Semitic stuff. It must have really upset them that he recognised Israel and Jerusalem.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/06/2019 13:20

The Brexiteers love Trump, don't they.

They're like: ooh, we can have a No deal Brexit then we can begin to negotiate new and amazing trade deal with Trump that will be totally in our favour.

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NotACleverName · 03/06/2019 13:22

Trump not a fascist? That's the funniest shit I've read all day. Possibly all week and it's only Monday.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/06/2019 13:23

I just don't understand people objecting to the president. Maybe it's more anti-Semitic stuff. It must have really upset them that he recognised Israel and Jerusalem.

Oh dearie me, I think you are confusing Jews with Israelis. Classic. The vast majority of American Jews voted and supported Hilary Clinton. Trumps ratings among American Jews are abysmally low and he is seen as a dangerous racist by most.

PickleC · 03/06/2019 13:26

And lets remember that he singularly failed to condemn the right wing protesters at Charlottesville who chanted anti-semitic slogans. Opening an embassy in Jerusalem is more signalling to his base than demonstration of any actual support for Jewish people and the issues they may face.

Notabedofroses · 03/06/2019 13:29

soupdragon Yes quite sure thank you for checking. I will be very glad for London to see a dynamic female Mayor that makes herself visible and champions business. I honestly don't know how Khan spends his days, but he certainly isn't helping the City of London!

IsItBetter · 03/06/2019 13:30

Let's be honest, Sadiq Khan deserved it - he spouted crap about Trump prior to the visit for self-publicity. And if you deal it, you should be prepared to receive it!

Typical of the snowflakes to start crying though when he returns the compliment! Ooh shock!

Helmetbymidnight · 03/06/2019 13:30

Absolutely re. Charlottesville. Trump is also on record as making anti-semitic comments. Jews feel increasingly unsafe in America under racist Trump.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7063365/Nearly-three-quarters-American-Jews-feel-increasingly-threatened-60-blame-Trump.html

That poster must be an absolute piece of work to pretend the reason people dislike Trump is 'anti-semitism'.

Gth1234 · 03/06/2019 13:30

Oh dearie me, I think you are confusing Jews with Israelis

I am not confusing anything. Anyone who doesn't think they are closely connected needs to have a serious rethink. There won't be many Jewish people who haven't ever said "Next year in Jerusalem".

DarlingNikita · 03/06/2019 13:31

I think Khan needs to back away now and be the bigger person, but if he didn't allow the baby balloon he'd have been harangued about blocking freedom of speech etc, so he was damned if he did damned if he didn't.

Alsohuman · 03/06/2019 13:35

Putting aside the insults to Khan, Trump can’t keep his nose out. Pronouncing on Brexit, advocating no deal, endorsing leadership candidates - none of this is his business. He seems to think the UK is an American colony.

Thallo · 03/06/2019 13:36

They're like: ooh, we can have a No deal Brexit then we can begin to negotiate new and amazing trade deal with Trump that will be totally in our favour.

Yes, utter simpletons. If they think the EU are intransigent they're in for a rude awakening. The UK will be a wounded minnow trying to compete with the shark that is the US.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/06/2019 13:37

You are very confused.

Disliking Trump is not anti-semitism. FFS.

Find out some more about the situation, instead of pretending/lying that Trump is a great friend to the Jewish people.

LillithsFamiliar · 03/06/2019 13:38

Liberal American Jews hate him (20% approval rating). Orthodox American Jews love him (71% approval rating).

I'm no fan of Trump but I hate the lack of context, facts and research which means politics is turning into an arena where we'll ignore any evidence that we dislike. When did so many people become so blinkered? It's that exact attitude that will entrench Trump's support. You need to recognise the facts to campaign effectively. At this rate, he'll secure another term because blimps have taken the place of nuance.

Chickenblc · 03/06/2019 13:39

I just don't understand people objecting to the president. Maybe it's more anti-Semitic stuff. It must have really upset them that he recognised Israel and Jerusalem.

Or the fact that he said that there were good people on good people on both sides at a white supremacist rally.

Anoni · 03/06/2019 13:40

Trump’s real-estate company triedto avoid renting apartments to African-Americansin the 1970s and gavepreferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.

He uses the gang MS-13 todisparage all immigrants. Among many other statements, he has suggested that Obama’s protection of the Dreamers — otherwise law-abiding immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children — contributed to the spread of MS-13.

In December 2015, Trumpcalled fora “a total andcomplete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time.
In June 2017, Trump said 15,000 recentimmigrants from Haiti “all have AIDS”and that 40,000 Nigerians, once seeing the United States, would never “go back to their huts” in Africa.

He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was bornnot in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.

He is quick tohighlight crimes committed by dark-skinned people, sometimesexaggerating or lyingabout them (such asa claim about growing crime from “radical Islamic terror” in Britain). He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed by whites against dark-skinned people (such asthe killing of an Indian man in Kansas last year).

He called Puerto Ricans who criticized his administration’s response to Hurricane Maria “politically motivated ingrates.”

He hasretweeted white nationalistswithout apology.

He called some of those who marched alongsidewhite supremacistsin Charlottesville, Va., last August “very fine people.”

Trumpendorsed and campaigned for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate whospoke positively about slaveryand whocalled foran African-American Muslim member of Congress not to be seated because of his religion.

cinnamontoast · 03/06/2019 13:43

To those saying Sadiq Khan 'started it' - well yes, if you consider criticising Trump's Muslim ban to be starting it.

Here's the Guardian timeline on the feud, which clearly shows that Khan has been statesmanlike and Trump has, predictably, been precisely the opposite: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/03/timeline-donald-trump-feud-with-sadiq-khan

CactusKitty · 03/06/2019 13:47

In defence of Khan, he didn't fly the trump balloon. He just allowed protestors to fly it. Prohibiting it would have infringed rights of peaceful protest and freedom of speech. If such a prohibition were to occur in US it would be unconstitutional and there would be a national outcry given the US's staunch position on the first amendment.

I can't really see that Trump's and Khan's Twitter mudslinging is equally bad. One sounds like a deranged toddler and the other is calling out the other on justifiably worrying behaviour. I can see the point that Khan did himself a disservice by calling Trump a fascist (eg calling someone a Nazi = end of reasonable discourse), but at some point, when behaviour becomes so alarming that it actually threatens to approach becoming that reality, world leaders have a responsibly to call that behaviour out.

longwayoff · 03/06/2019 13:50

I may have taken too many painkillers but I think I heard a radio reporter say that DT and co couldn't ride down The Mall in a golden carriage so they did this in the grounds of Buck House. Someone please correct what can only be a delusion. Even he wouldn't be so crass?

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Helmetbymidnight · 03/06/2019 13:51

I'm no fan of Trump but I hate the lack of context, facts and research which means politics is turning into an arena where we'll ignore any evidence that we dislike

So saying dislike of Trump is 'anti-semitism' is ok?
Its a shocking twist of truth when we know 3/4 of American Jews feel unsafe under Trump.

(If you are going to put stats up on approval ratings among communities then it would be helpful to put the numbers of the community, no? Without that context, it's meaningless. Orthodox community = 600,000 or so although growing- Liberal Community is much, much larger.)

Neolara · 03/06/2019 13:51

What Anoni said.

I find it staggeringly that there are people on this thread defending Trump's behaviour. It's not like he tries to hide his racist and bigoted views. It's perfectly clear what he thinks about people of colour, Muslims and women.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/06/2019 13:52

Great post, Anoni. It's good to be reminded of his arse-holery.