If you're female AIBU to ask if you're ok with male health professionals at all times and in any scenario?

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It's just that question really.

Blistory

But you are misunderstanding. I am not against seeing this Dr because she is female. I don't care if I see a male or a female Dr.

I won't see her because she is shit and I don't trust that she will not do damage to me.

So I cannot see the justification for training up an incompetent Dr just because she is female.

If the choice was good female Dr Vs good male Dr or even shut female Dr Vs shit male Dr then I understand the reason for choosing the female Dr.

What I can't understand is making everyone suffer the shit Dr just because she is a woman. That means it's ok to give women substandard health care just because of their sex?

And in your surgery, Decomposing, you said the male doctor couldn’t perform them not because he wasn’t trained but because he didn’t carry out enough per year to keep his licence because so many people were choosing the woman...so that kind of proves that choice wins. More patients chose her; she keeps her licence.

No, not because they are choosing the woman Dr. The choice is made for them. The surgery is only allowing this female Dr to do them.

No, you’re taking your situation as how things are in the bigger world. The vast majority of GPs are competent. We can’t dictate how the health needs of everyone are best served when your situation simply doesn’t apply in the vast, vast majority of cases.

A crap GP is a crap GP. Report it to the practice manager.

If there was only a man able to do it, evidently a lot of women still would have no choice because a lot of women wouldn’t want a man fitting their coil, so how would it improve things for the greater number of patients at your surgery if their only option was the man rather than the woman?

Why do you assume the male doctor would be better at IUD's than the female one anyways?

He might be a better GP overall, and you like him and trust him more but why do you think he would definitely be better at this particular procedure?

Tbh I'm in the same boat..the only GP that does the sexual clinic is a female one I don't like, but I have no idea if the other GP's(also female) I much prefer seeing and that are great in general would be any better(except for attitude and personality).

CaptainBrickbeard

I have no idea of the numbers so can't answer that.

Maybe they should survey the patient's and then go with the majority?

If it's any indication, you can always get an appointment with this particular Dr. She is never booked up. The Dr that I like is far and away the most popular and the others somewhere in between. So, I don't know. Maybe the majority of people would be happy with the popular male Dr. But they would need to survey the patients to find out.

Decomposing, if the male doctor at your surgery was the coil fitter, you would be happier.

How would the women in your surgery who have suffered male violence feel?

How would the women who can’t see a male doctor for religious or cultural reasons feel?

How would the women who are uncomfortable with male doctors feel?

There will be a lot of them.

You think your preference is equally valid to their preference. I think their preference is more important than yours.

Why do you assume the male doctor would be better at IUD's than the female one anyways?

I don't know. But I do trust him so I would at least get as far as letting him have a go.

The one who currently does it I won't even see her for a sore throat. I simply do not trust her and I fear her making a serious mistake. So, no, like most medical procedures you don't know how good the practitioner is beforehand. What I do know is that this Dr is not the best person to do it but she has been selected solely because of her sex and fundamentally that feels wrong to me because no one is getting good treatment.

RedHoodGirl a lot of older female doctors tend to be very tough, in my experience, but not younger ones. I wonder if that's because only the very tough ones survived the abusive system in the past? Someone I know took part in a walk-out by women from lectures in the College of Surgeons because of the sexist nastiness from certain lecturers. Not so long ago as you'd expect, either. If quiet and pleasant it would be difficult to deal with

CaptainBrickbeard

So how do you think all of those women currently feel then? The ones who won't go back because she was so tough or she made it too painful? Or the ones who just won't go at all because of her manner?

Should they just accept the poor treatment then because at least they are seeing a female Dr?

There will no doubt be a fair few patients who aren't bothered anyway whether it's a man or a woman.

And interestingly my friend refused to see this Dr so had her coil fitted at the family planning clinic - by a male Dr!

That was the Irish College of Surgeons by the way

I don't know why you keep thinking you're making telling points re your female doctor. That's one doctor in one practice. They could as easily have nominated a bad male doctor.

The woman doctor has gone from being unpopular to being likely to perforate your uterus. It sounds as if an official complaint needs to be made. She shouldn’t be treating patients -of either sex- at all.

Your solution is being rejected by posters on here because it only fixes your problem. In doing so, it puts up a barrier for other women.

Hence feminism being, not about your individual choice, but about the rights of women as a whole. Once those rights are in place I’ll happily champion your choice to see the male GP and to have him trained up.

But again the issue is that there is only one doctor doing it, and that doctor is shit. That's bad practice for the surgery and completely unacceptable. Because she's shit and does damage,not because she's female.

The point is that if you force patients to see drs based on their sex that this is the result.

Whether they be male or female they cease to be able to choose the Dr who best suits there needs and just have to accept what they are given.

As I said, if the sex of your HCP is what is most important to you, then have at it. That's great.

However, I want to choose the best person for the job. So let me have that choice. Don't take that choice away from me by forcing me to only have female drs when they may not be the best drs.

Fuck me it's unending. How many more times do we have to hear about the crap doctor in your practice? We get it, you're annoyed about it.

You’re still missing the point that you already have choices. See the female GP, complain, go to the family planning clinic, ask for the other female GPs to be trained . The choice is not bad female GP or good male GP.

No one should have to see an incompetent GP. No one appears to be arguing that you should.

Hence feminism being, not about your individual choice, but about the rights of women as a whole. Once those rights are in place I’ll happily champion your choice to see the male GP and to have him trained up.

But the right to see a female Dr is already in place. You can already ask to see a female Dr.

Of course if the practice can only afford to train one coil inserter it should be a woman. Nobody can possibly argue against that, can they?

I wouldn't. It's not just about who is the most skilled, it's about privacy and dignity for something which exclusively affects women. More women will prefer a woman.

No, it’s not a right. You can ask and the NHS will try to accommodate but it’s not a right. You have the right NOT to be treated by a particular HCP but not a right TO be treated by a particular HCP.

No one should have to see an incompetent GP. No one appears to be arguing that you should.

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Blistory

I have complained.

The other female GPs won't do it.

And no, I am not going to see her and risk her hurting me or doing damage.

I can't force the surgery to change their practices. As far as I have heard they are dropping the clinic so no one will benefit at all now.

No, it’s not a right. You can ask and the NHS will try to accommodate but it’s not a right. You have the right NOT to be treated by a particular HCP but not a right TO be treated by a particular HCP.

And yes I think people are muddying the water here.