If you're female AIBU to ask if you're ok with male health professionals at all times and in any scenario?

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It's just that question really.

I'm seriously confused now.

"Right" side of the debate on this thread, on the "wrong" side on the nails thread.

Being a woman is fucking hard.

CaptainBrickbeard

What, you mean the posters who called women with acrylic nails "shallow" or plastic clones? You think they are feminist comments?

I don't. I think they are disgusting.

I didn't mind having a male midwife which is avout as intimate as it gets! I have consulted male GPS for UTI or similar as I wanted to see first available doctor. I'd rather have a female to do a smear test but that's usually the nurse and they all seem to be female at my gp surgery. If there was a male nurse I'm notnsure how I'd feel.

For dd now she is 10 and developing I ask for a female dr, especially for anything remotely sensitive or requiring chest examination etc. Just so she feels comfortable. And I would expect this choice abided by and for the doctor / nurse not to turn out to be xy male.

I know, right? Those pesky women having opinions on sexism and patriarchy!

I see where she's coming from tbh. Nothing wrong with having opinions on sexism and patriarchy.
Everything wrong with rounding on women with a slightly differing opinion which frequently happens, and has on this thread too.
Now going to get DARVO, DARVO thrown at me lol as there's always a reason why everyone else is wrong.
Not all women want sex segregation which has definitely been said on this thread, even if one post did have the word "caveat" put in at the end.
All the others repeatedly alluded to it to.

too not to oops

I haven’t read the nails thread so don’t know what side I’m on! Just picking up on the hatred for FWR regulars!

But yes I'd also like the choice not just a nomination.

I actually said that men and boys should be educated about periods but that I thought most girls would prefer to talk about them with a woman.

Yes, you did, in 1 post.

In another you said that certain things should be kept only between women and you criticised the recent campaign urging dad's to talk more about periods because you think that men don't need to be involved in these things.

What, you mean the posters who called women with acrylic nails "shallow" or plastic clones? You think they are feminist comments

Urgh. Not seen that thread bit sounds horrible. (The comments that is)
I'm the least so called plastic person you could imagine (just about brush my hair most mornings lol) but what the hell is wrong with letting women CHOOSE what they want to look like?!
It's so not my look, not my thing but I wou;dn't put down others who would.
CHOICE.
Like in this thread. Choice is key. Not other women telling other women what to think or do.

I haven’t read the nails thread so don’t know what side I’m on! Just picking up on the hatred for FWR regulars!

Might be an idea to then, before commenting, because the comments on there, from regulars, are deeply misogynistic and they are getting roundly called out on them.

As I said, I find it weird that for some feminism appears to be about women controlling women, rather than men controlling women.

In another you said that certain things should be kept only between women and you criticised the recent campaign urging dad's to talk more about periods because you think that men don't need to be involved in these things

I saw that too, it's baffling that it's being denied. It's there

I haven’t read the nails thread so don’t know what side I’m on! Just picking up on the hatred for FWR regulars!

Yup. It’s starting to feel like deliberate targeting, at this stage. I admire your cool composure BertrandRussell.

Yup. It’s starting to feel like deliberate targeting, at this stage

No, just baffled as to why keeps denying she said something when she clearly did. All her posts were for keeping somethings separate until someone questioned but then she said she didn't
The posts are just so confusing which is why she's being questioned so much as we're trying to make sense of it lol

Choice is fine. But choice isn’t what feminism is founded on.

As I said, I find it weird that for some feminism appears to be about women controlling women, rather than men controlling women

Same! Doesn't make it any better coming from the "other way" - it's still just as bad.

There was one scenario outlined when a GP practice could only afford to have one doctor trained to insert coils and chose the woman GP who was unpopular with patients. Which seems to me like a least worst solution.

And you know what? Any woman who prefers that is absolutely welcome to see this Dr. If the risk of severe pain or having your uterus perforated by an IUD is less important than seeing a female Dr then kudos to you.

But for me, I want the Dr who can do it competently, safely and as painlessly as possible.

What I really don't understand is how another person's choice to have only a female Dr then forces me to also have the same shit Dr with all attendent risks?

And I don't see how an incompetent female Dr is the "least worse option" than a competent male Dr?

Lime Kiwi what most FWR regulars would question there is what is influencing that choice, why is largely women who make that choice and why men are not judged for not making that choice. Woman’s Hour had an interesting section the other day on the amount of invisible labour going into making a woman look ‘professional’ which is not replicated for men in many workplaces. Nails, hair, heels, make up - there are different expectations and there is a financial cost and time cost for women which doesn’t exist for men. I would say I choose to wear make up for work and no one would discipline me for not wearing it. But I’m not naive enough to think that my choice is made in a vacuum or that it is just coincidence that o choose to put make up on to look ready for work and my husband doesn’t. And that 99.9% of my female colleagues make that same choice whilst none of my male colleagues do. There isn’t a completely free choice being made there, is there?

Now I want to carry on wearing make up; I love it. But I do think it’s a problematic issue reflecting an issue with misogyny and sexism deeply ingrained into society and I know that my choices, whilst they feel like free choices to me, are absolutely influenced by that.

Choice is fine. But choice isn’t what feminism is founded on.

Really? So is feminism about removing choice then?

It’s about examining how are choices are influenced by the unequal, patriarchal society in which we all live.

I might choose to ban my head against a brick wall shortly, just coincidentally...

Yep, showing the real colours there. Bloody feminists eh!

Choice is one of the basic tenets that feminism is founded on, ffs.

CaptainBrickbeard

But it is your choice.

I don't wear make up, don't wear heels, don't get my nails done.

If there was no choice then I would be doing all of the above wouldn't I?

And even if you want to debate the rights and wrongs of make up or acrylic nails I am quite sure that you can do it without calling the women who do have them "shallow," or plastic clones. Because I don't care how you dress that up, it isn't feminist to insult women like that.

And even if you want to debate the rights and wrongs of make up or acrylic nails I am quite sure that you can do it without calling the women who do have them "shallow," or plastic clones. Because I don't care how you dress that up, it isn't feminist to insult women like that

Exactly

Decomposing I didn’t say it wasn’t my choice. In fact, I stated repeatedly that it is my choice to wear make up! I also said I could choose not to and I wouldn’t suffer professionally! But that doesn’t stop me from noticing who else makes that choice and who doesn’t and extrapolating what that suggests about our society.

What I really don't understand is how another person's choice to have only a female Dr then forces me to also have the same shit Dr with all attendent risks?

So choice is only valid if you get what you want ? Society works on the basis of causing the least harm to the greatest number of people, not on giving everyone what they want.