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To have paid for my own

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TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 27/05/2019 14:54

I know billsplitting threads are on here all the time, and I am maybe just looking for somewhere to vent rather than asking but:

Went out for dinner with a couple of friends who I go out with frequently and a friend of a friend who I vaguely know. Generally theres no issue with the bill, we tend to get round about the same thing and well..are friends so even if ones a bit more, who cares. But this guy, he ordered steak (no issue, I usually do) and 2 starters for himself (that he left most of) and nonestop cocktails while we drank..well like normal people. Then ordered a desert, didn't like it so ordered another, while still ordering and necking cocktails. It was like something from a TV show tbh, the constant shouting for stuff, the sheer amount ordered, he was also a bit of a twat to the waitress, basically seemed to think she was there to be his slave, even fucking asked her to wipe the table when he spilt a bit of drink instead of just doing it himself. Friend seemed quite embarassed to have brought him. And there was an atmosphere throughout the whole ordeal, as people kept pulling him up on speaking to staff like dirt and that.

Anyway, inevitable, bill somes and the guy says we should just split equally. I refused, as did the others as he had clearly taken the piss. He actually started arguing that this made us tight, who cares about an 'extra few quid' etc etc. I stood my ground and told him it was him who was tight because he basically, did not want to pay for the extravagent amount of food and drink he had ordered and how on earth were we tight because we did not want to basically sub him. He still said that it was us being tight. The whole scene was embarassing but I swear the difference was huge, but it was more the principle of it..we have enouh cash to pay for his too but why should we, especially when hes gone on the way he did and basically ruined the night. In the end, we all paid our own. Mine and mates was 20-25 quid each. His was near a hundred. And he didn't leave a tip either..took the change down to the penny!

He then said when leaving in a strop that if not splitting the bill, we should say before anything is ordered. WHY would that make a difference, if he was not only ordering as he thought we would pick up the tab? There is no reason at all that telling people you are not splitting would make any difference, unless they were being a twat on purpose surely?

Can anyone think of a reason why (besides taking the piss) anyone should have to say before anything is ordered that they are only paying for their own?

As I said, we usually just split it, but we don't take the piss out of each other the way this bloke was seemingly to. Anyway, he buggered off still in a strop that we were stingy and mean apparently, and we went on to have a decent night. I will totally avoid him from now on, not that I saw him much anyway, was just someone I kind of knew in passing but not a friend.

I think I know the answer to this really, but bill splitting threads are sometimes unpredictable. Were we being unreasonable to stand our ground and pay 20 quid, rather than literally double that it would be had we paid for his too? I know a lot will think 'its only 20 quid' but, it was principle too. Especially when he started saying it was us who were tight, when he was asking us to pay an extra 20 each because HE had been over indulgent..

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TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 28/05/2019 10:55

The only reason I'd want to make it clear before hand we were paying for our own is that I'd then feel free to order a note expensive meal while not forcing other people to sub me.

Yeah, thats the only time I would do that too. I have done that before, once. When I just felt like a bit of a blowout and said basically..I know you guys always split but I am going to be on the cocktails tonight and fancy fillet steak and am being greedy so many a starter too so I'll just split mine off. Friends looked horrified! But I stuck to it as basically, I don't want to take the piss. I know they wouldn't really have minded at all as it was only close friends, but I still felt...awkward knowing I planned to order probably much more than anyone else would be having.

What I absolutely would not do, and this semeed to be the way this guy was operating, is ask if the everyone was splitting, then go on a binge when they said yes, where if we were getting our own, be more restained. Thats just, horrible IMO.

Looking back the thought of him with his scowl, putting down the cash and then taking 3 quid off the saucer and stomping off is amusing me a lot. I wish there had been no change on there, and he had had to actually physically wait there for his 3 quid to take, after spending near a hundred. Grin Taking 3 quid off that, he had basically taken part of the tip too as we had just rounded up and added a bit, so another tenner and some change (maybe about a fiver) ended up on there, to cover his tip and what he took. Its actually funny looking back on it now, when when I put this post it was making me rage a bit.

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IamtheDevilsAvocado · 28/05/2019 11:46

Also had it been someone you knew better....it would be a real worthwhile knowledge about this person isn't it??

This is someone who thinks nothing of exploiting his 'friends'and then gets abusive when people refuse to be manipulated.....isn't it worth knowing this about someone now rather 2 years down the line when you've been right royally piss ed on....as this was sooooo extreme...

I really wish I had realised this about a uni friend. ...

The first few times we went out as a group in the days when buying rounds was usual....he would always order really expensive bottled beer on everyone else's round and when it came to his round. ..he'd either suddenly need the loo and stay in here til last orders passed. Or would say . .oh I think we've all had enough booze...time for the off. ...the first couple of times je did it we just thought it was coincidence. ..then it became obvious that he was just exploitative. ...took a while though. ...he was just a leech financially and socially...

He would always have lifts as he muttered about not being able to get somewhere unless someone collected him. ..I often did this driving 8 miles around trip to collect him.....so extremely time/effort/cost...and also of course he then could drink. ...

It took us 18 months to discover the Fucker actually had a car....but just didn't want to use it....Hmm

I once lent him my car....for several weeks so he could have some treatment ...on the provisos he insures himself...which he did...and then refuel .....we were out one night. ..I tacked him about it as it was on empty. ..he just brazened it out....

I was so naive. ..I think je went on to do this to many many other people....just a breathtaking user...

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 28/05/2019 13:46

Needless to say...post uni he moved ...and no doubt continued to do this...

Oh yes I forgot. ..he always sais

dustarr73 · 28/05/2019 13:58

All i can say i would be mortified if i was the friend that brought him.

MsMightyTitanAndHerTroubadours · 28/05/2019 14:24

one in our group would always say she had no money, and would pay with her credit card, and take the cash to save her going to the bank later.
We'd always split evenly food between everyone, drink between drinkers, and cash to cover that, plus a tip. Took ages before I realised that she wasn't passing on the tip so was paying pennies for her actual meal!

Commencaal · 28/05/2019 14:34

Not the same but funny. We'd often have work lunches out and at the end one guy would collect everyone's cash and pay in his credit card. We realised after a while that it was a Tesco card and he got extra club card points for the spend! Not cheeky and quite resourceful!

Thequaffle · 28/05/2019 14:38

What a CF. His piss take backfired. Well done OP.

LoobyLou1976 · 28/05/2019 16:12

This has happened numerous times when I've been out with work colleagues.. Let me just say it is not always people who are less well off that get anxious about the bill splitting, my colleagues are all vets and vet nurses. One time we went out (about 16 people) everyone paid for their equal split of the bill, but by the time all the cash payments were put into the middle of the table and the credit card payments were processed, the bill was still £80 outstanding! No-one would admit to who hadn't put in (or put in enough), and we sat for a good 10 minutes looking around wondering what to do, total stalemate. In the end myself and another nurse each paid an extra £40 on top of our own bill, just so we could leave. This is a group of colleagues who are all on massively different pay scales, and it was the two of us who were earning the least who had to sub the rest of the group.

When I order a bottle of wine I always make sure that it is paid for separately by myself, or that I chuck in an extra £20 or whatever it costs along with my bill, I wouldn't dream of letting someone else pay for my decision to drink. Inevitably I end up sharing the wine with other people anyway!

Commencaal · 28/05/2019 16:42

I always make sure somebody (sometimes me) collects from everyone rather than cash in middle of table. Have been in a few situations where somebody didn't put in or paid short.

Wow2806 · 28/05/2019 17:42

Mmm I wonder if I know this person. Would be a coincidence if I did. Your not from Manchester but any chance are you op

ToftyAC · 28/05/2019 17:49

He’s a piss taking twat with absolutely no shame. YANBU

IceCreamFace · 28/05/2019 17:55

I do remember now though that when I was a PhD student we'd often go out for a big department meal. The older department members would often leave earlier and put some cash in to cover their meal. Except they always left loads so by the time it was us PhD students we usually had enough cash left to pay the meal and leave a generous tip without actually contributing ourselves. (We did always mention it and offer to give money back but they wouldn't have it).

AryaStarkWolf · 28/05/2019 17:56

Haha he was counting on you all to be too polite to stand up to his bullying behaviour, so glad you all put him in his place

lessnoisepls · 28/05/2019 17:56

Well done you for speaking up for yourself.

I remember going out for dinner with friends after we'd taken (paid) them to a show.

I had a budget so was wary of that when ordering, but they just went all out, ordering expensive drinks etc, more courses than us.
We never expected them to pay as the night out was our idea but we did expect to split the dinner.
I felt so aggrieved when they agreed to split the bill because I'd purposely held back on ordering. I've literally never forgotten it and feel pissed off because they earn way more than we do.

So in short, don't be angry, this guy is an arsehole, everyone agreed and you didn't shell out for this guy.
So no loss, other than an evening spoiled by an arsehole, but at least he's not your friend!!

Housemum · 28/05/2019 18:05

Good for you standing your ground. Fine to evenly split when it’s just a couple of quid either way, but not when one person is being such an arse! I’ve said in advance before many years back when things were tight, if I wanted to specifically keep it cheap (I remember going out for a meal and ordering the cheapest main course only and one drink, chucked in my tenner at the end which covered it and everyone else split the rest evenly). Likewise he other way, if I’ve chosen a pud and everyone else didn’t, I’ve given the extra for that then we’ve split the rest.

TheFormidableMrsC · 28/05/2019 18:17

I had a situation a while back where I went to a pre-Xmas do, there were about 10 of us. I was not staying late enough to go out afterwards as everybody else was and was driving on this occasion (and indeed had taken several of the party to the venue). I had one main a bottle of sparkling water and a coffee. My share was about £15. When the bill did come, I was asked for £50. For the first time ever I said "no" to a sea of horrified faces. Normally, if I were drinking and had eaten similarly to everybody else, it wouldn't have been a problem but there was no way I was subsidising the endless bottles of wine and cocktails, starters and desserts that I did not have. I was a bit shocked that everybody else was a bit shocked but I couldn't afford it and that was that. You have to speak up sometimes, people do take the piss, especially when they're drinking and I literally couldn't believe I had to explain my position or that anybody thought i was being unreasonable. Never again.

Purplegecko · 28/05/2019 18:19

@LoobyLou1976 off topic but ooh that's given me horrible flashbacks to secondary school. I didn't have a lot of friends, I lived in the middle of nowhere and it was hard to maintain friendships before social media. I was invited to a pizza restaurant by a girl, it was an all girls school, and there were boys from the guys grammar school there too. I just worked as a babysitter and pretty much had just enough for the bus in and out and the meal. I was so excited. I was not very pretty and was always dressed quite 'frumpy' for a 16 year old. I found it hard to talk to the boys too and as only one other girl knew me there everyone was a bit frosty, perhaps being a bit judgemental putting some of this attitude from them down to my appearance but they were all quite 'laddish' boys. We all put the money in the middle at the end of the meal and it was short. I had paid my meal and a few quid extra for the tip, ensuring I had enough left for the bus. I got the blame, as no one wanted to think their friend hadn't paid. So I put the rest of my bus money in, red faced whilst everyone gave me dirty looks or laughed. I had to borrow some money from aforementioned friend for the payphone to call my mum to see if she could pick me up. The friend and I are good friends to this day and I'm not sure she remembers as I've only just recalled it but it was mortifying!
Some people are CFs and do not care who else they hurt in the process.

ReanimatedSGB · 28/05/2019 18:20

I think people sometimes don't realise that someone else is on such a low income that they really don't have any more money than the price of a cheap main course and a glass of tap water. So whenever anyone says upfront that they will want a separate bill, don't be the person who whines and nags them and calls them tight because it's 'only' a few quid. They might not have that few quid to spare.

Middersweekly · 28/05/2019 18:20

YANBU he is an absolute CF piss taker and spent 4 x the amount everyone else did and was a twat to boot! You did the right thing paying for your own! I would have done exactly the same in that situation also!

Eustasiavye · 28/05/2019 18:20

Well done op.
What a c.f. he is.

NorthbyNorthwest22 · 28/05/2019 18:28

YANBU

Stung by this myself but with a drinks bill several years ago. Went out as a group of 10 (5 couples) I was pregnant and husband was on antibiotics. Paid as we went for soft drinks at the bar as the rest had wine ordered to the table.
When the bill came we were happy to split the food bill but said obviously we hadn't had any wine. The wine bill was £470!!
Things took a nasty turn and 2 of the couples we haven't spoken to since as apparently we are cheap and selfish...

Im still happy to split a bill if i know im with a group of good friend or family that dont take this piss but if im unsure i make it clear at the beginning of the evening i will be paying for drinks as i go and not paying a group booze bill and dont care what they think of me!

ifyouneedmenow · 28/05/2019 18:46

Well done I thought it was going to one of those threads that he made you split the bill so I'm glad you didn't .
Your right he's the tight one I'd be mortified if anyone thought I'd took the piss like him .
There is another thread at the moment about saving money which I like but I'm not mean always happy to split the bill like recently went out with some friends for a couple of drinks they ordered main meals but I just had a side order as was eating later. It was agreed we would split and I was fine with that even though would mean mine would be more until someone pointed it out I only had a side so I threw in what I had with a little over and the rest of them split . I was a bit Hmm thinking I hope no one thinks I'm cheap . Some people are are just cf and I can't believe he kicked off the cheek Shock

AliceRR · 28/05/2019 18:48

I'm not mean always happy to split the bill

What does splitting or not splitting the bill have to do with being mean?

Tessabelle74 · 28/05/2019 18:52

High five to you all for refusing to split the bill. What a prick!

PeoniesarePink · 28/05/2019 18:52

There is always one in every group.

Well done for calling him out on it OP.

He clearly thought he was getting a good feed and getting you all to sub it Grin.