To ask brexiteers to explain to me why they want us to leave the EU?

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I have a totally open mind here. I did vote remain but I genuinely want to know why people think that leaving the EU is a good thing?
I’m not being goady - I actually want people to convince me that Brexit is a good thing so I don’t feel so terrified of what’s to come!
So what is it about the EU that’s bad for us? What will we achieve by leaving?

I voted remain but now think we have no option but to leave. Parliament has left us no option than to leave as they have turned us into a laughing stock with their inability to act and come up with a workable plan. I cannot imagine the top bosses of any company behaving the way they have and still having a credible business 3 years down the line.

What saddens me is how both sides have hurled insults at each other, this thread being a fine example, about the others being stupid, uneducated etc whilst having no credible solution to the situation. It seems that the only way to explain their opinion is to slag off the opposing side.

The EU was getting to big to be workable really but we should have worked on that instead of having the referendum in the first place...

After being called thick as pigshit, racist, xenophobic, uneducated, stupid and ignorant, I think you will find most Leavers don't give a fuck what Remainers want and stopped responding to demands for answers a long time ago. A lot of us have given our reasons many times over in the past but you're never satisfied so we don't bother now

Well said. AngryLlama is doing a brill job of showing on this thread, has it in hand.
Dipshit has been flung, I think we're back in the school playground lol.

Bupkis means nothing. You got nothing.

I am a remainer (didn't vote though), but there are some rational arguments for Leave that I can agree with. Pull towards the continental legal system is one of them, already mentioned upthread. Fiscal freedom is another. Eurozone complexities and vulnerabilities and detangling the sterling from it is also a rational choice at the moment. Also, what I personally don't like is the resurgence of far-right in the continental politics - opinions and attitudes that still are not palatable to the majority of Brits are becoming quite mainstream there.

On the balance, remain wins for me. I also cannot say that I actually know many leave voters who voted for the rational reasons, and not because of forriners stealing their jobs.

I voted remain despite thinking the EU wasn't completely a great and did wonder where it was heading but it was just better option IMO, so I like you OP I’d like some positives.

However, many local farmers - in fact many people voted leave here - but most that I spoke to have no issue with Mays leave agreement - bit of a grumble about still paying but were in favour of it getting through. So there must be many different views of leaving.

In fact local business have been on news a lot – they want a decision – a movement forward - they don’t really want no deal but they’re really struggling with current uncertainty.

I got this PM from a prominent remain poster. For the record, I have never stated an opinion about trump, so, can only guess at why I'm bundled in with his voters!?

"I just thought I'd come back to add this just for you.

Yup your faux outrage at disablist language got me banned and I'm off for good now, but I do think it's funny that you have to resort to this tactic because you can't actually deal with the arguments being put to you. You hit the complaint button repeatedly and hope hat others disappear because you can't back up your arguments and the points you do make are so lacking in any kind of intellectual rigour its funny.

I can see why you voted for brexit and are happy that Trump one, it allows you to blame all of the difficulties that you have on others. But here's the rub my dear, it's because of you, the fact that you seek to blame others shows the paucity of your own abilities and lacklustre efforts.

Your racist and frankly disgusting views are abhorrent, but it's fucking funny that you see brexit and trump as a victory. Snivelling medicorities like you will certainly not be better off but worse.

Me, I'll be fine I'm not mediocre.. I only intended to come back as vulpe for one niget and honestly thought you and ww might have got on sooner the clue really was rathr obvious. t seems that there really is an intellectual deficit in leave voters which does make me laugh.

Anyway dear fuckwit, as I stand on the smoking terrace at Shoreditch house and look across london, I think just how good my life in the metropolitan elite bubble is and then raise my dark and stormy and thank the Lord I am not you."

So no, I won't be posting my leavers opinions any more!

Why did farmers vote Leave, aren’t they going to lose most of their subsidies?

That's really shocking EggWrap - any chance of a Name and Shame?

Thank you SB1189
for the first actual answer

That’s terrible EggWrap
Was it on this forum?

It was 'smallfox' who got banned, but came back as 'vulpe' or some such name. She used awful terms to describe leavers, comparing us to ....well, she got banned for disabling language so I'll not repeat it in case I get deleted.
I honestly think that posters like her are why you will never again entice leavers to debate. The vitriol was relentless and shameful.

All on here tomtom.

ridikulunesd Did you see my answer too?

SB1189 if you’re happy with a united Ireland and an independent Scotland, which may well work out for the best (the break up of the former Czechoslobakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia worked out fine), then voting leave may well have made sense.

But I bet most Brexiteers (supporters of Farage and Tory Eurosceptics) won’t be happy with the idea. Neither would the DUP, obviously. They should be careful what they wish for.

Posters I Mumsnet tend to be very left leaning.

I’m not, come tell me why you think Leave is a good idea.

Because the EU is unfit for purpose and the whole project is beyond redemption.

I hope to see a rise in the wages and conditions of the low-paid.

Although the negative effects of FOM on the low-paid is described as "small" it still equates to £8pw. To many people that £8pw is quite large.

When employers know that they have an infinite source of workers they will do nothing to improve the pay and conditions of their low-paid staff.

And is Brexit fit for purpose?

I know im boring and i know i keep saying it

But part of the issue is people using the phrases ‘leavers’ and ‘remainers’

For the love of god can people use the word SOME

SOME remain voters insult leave voters...SOME leave voters insult remain voters

The truth is that no-one can predict the economic future of the UK (whether it is in or out of the EU), or of the EU itself. Several members are either bankrupt or on the verge of being so.

So it is a question of making a decision and then working out how to achieve the best possible outcome. Unfortunately our politicians seem to be incapable of doing so, which makes one suspect that our system of government is also unfit for purpose.

But won’t Brexit mean quite a hike in price of goods so there won’t be much benefit from wage increases?

However, I won't put my reasons on here or enter into discussions and you'll find the majority of leave voters won't. These threads always descend into arguments with remain voters piling in to call leave voters thick and racist

Pretty much this. I voted Leave, I'm more "left-leaning" than most people I know and racism/immigration was nowhere on my list when I considered how to vote.

I will say though that it was a difficult decision, and I thought very hard about it. I'm not completely sure I was right, but I think I'd have felt the same voting Remain. It was a matter of conscience for me though, in the end, and I had to go with what I felt was the morally right decision.

SOME remain voters insult leave voters...SOME leave voters insult remain voters

Even changing the wording around doesn't escape the fact that the threads descend into vitriol (read my earlier post about the faux innocence and back slapping for a better picture)
Whether it's some or not, your pile ons and mocking/belittling/outright attacks in some cases (see eggs disgusting pm sent above) are why people don't engage.

My pile ons?

Why the fuck are people so invested in this tribalism