To be delighted That Leave Have Lost

[donotcovertheradiator]

I know it looks as if Brexit have won but in every single case, if you add up all the votes secured by the other parties then together they have more votes than Brexit. That means more people want to remain in Europe than Leave.

Clutching at straws there

It takes considerable mental gymnastics to turn a vote into a party which supports Leave (no matter what the level of in-party strife) into a Remain vote.

I thought it was Leave voters who were supposed to be thick!!!! Let me explain why your argument is so stupid

1. There was a low turnout. Many people thought what was the point wasting time electing someone for a job lasting less than 6 months. Presumably just as remain voters claim everyone who didn’t vote would have voted remain, can the Brexit party claim the 60 odd percent of people who didn’t vote ???
2. Unless you can categorically state that everyone who voted for a party other than Brexit would have voted remain you’re on to a bit of a losing argument really.
3. Are you suggesting every single vote should add up the losing sides votes and only if the winner has more than the combined losing vote should they win
4. The fact that the Lib Dem’s and greens themselves couldn’t agree enough to bring together their vote speaks volumes
5. Some people will have voted green for entirely different reasons than Brexit. The greens made massive gains across Europe so their increase was part of an EU wide pattern that probably was more pro David Attenborough than antibfarage et al. I would vote green in a general election once we had left the EU.
6. Oh the irony of a remain voter’s complaint about a split vote and trying to fudge the numbers to still win. Well let’s have that 3way 2nd referendum, but unless remain won more than 50% of the votes obviously we would still leave.
7. The Brexit party numbers showed the amount of people who would leave with no deal, add in the numbers who voted elsewhere who would leave with a deal, you might not have the same result.

I do think that many remainers really have no grasp on diversity, they can only understand people who think and act like them. Anyone thinking differently seems fair game for ridicule, the sense of intellectual and moral superiority over other groups of people based on their political views is unbelievable and their shouts of racism hypocritical as they seek to fill our immigration capacity through low skilled usually white Christian Europeans over a much more diverse range of people from the rest of the world who would most likely bring more to our country.

BBC news has reported that pro remain parties have taken about 40% of the vote and those in favour of leaving without a deal 35%.
Own view is this leaves us where we were, country split pretty much down the middle and completely polarised. No mood to compromise. Brexiteers should recognise that a situation where they drag half the country into the shitstorm of no deal against their will is unconscionable, but that would require a degree of insight which such people are simply not capable of I’m afraid.
I think I’m done with the uk.

I do think we should leave the EU mainly because the uncertainty is paralysing the UK.

The only way to end the uncertainty would be to cancel Brexit altogether. Any form of Leave just creates more uncertainty as it opens up years of further negotiations over a trade deal. The Withdrawal Agreement doesn't even touch on future trade arrangements, it's just a tool for transition. The trade arrangement would take years to agree. Not to mention that we would simultaneously have to rearrange trade agreements with the entire rest of the world at the same time but we have barely any trained trade negotiators.

If we go ahead with Brexit it will rumble on for years and years.

I do think that many remainers really have no grasp on diversity, they can only understand people who think and act like them

Whereas your average Brexiter is a huge fan of diversity of course and is so open towards anyone who, for example, comes from a different country! Pot, kettle, black.

Donotcover, I think you’re not giving enough credit for the crucial role Remainvoter, Gina Miller et al played in this election. Their part in increasing the votes for the Lib Dem’s and Greens must not go unnoticed. After all the time and effort they put in to tell the public who to vote for to secure more seats is being ignored. How thankless of us.
They say cheaters never. Not true in this case.

ProEU/second ref parties (Lib Dem/ Green, SNP, that Welsh party) scored over 40% in total. The pro-Brexit parties (Brexit Party/UKIP) scored 35%.

The pro-remain parties don’t look as strong as BP at first as the vote’s split. However, if you add them up the remain/second ref parties have the majority. Farage did well as he was the only blatantly pro-Brexit party which isn’t massively far right like UKIP and Tommy Robinson so he hoovered up all of those votes.

Its still roughly half and half with Leave in the majority. Awful but I'm going to stop whining about it now. Heaven help us.

You are actually correct, it’s something like 40% combined total of anti Brexit versus 34% pro Brexit then the rest split between labour and tories who are a mix of both (and also very much fence sitters / only willing to speak up when the dust settles).
Love how detailed some of the pp are to try to dispute what you’ve said, doesn’t mean it makes a difference to the overall result but you are correct in the combination result.

This will lead to a People's Vote Thank goodness, we won't be silenced any more
It’s like living in a parallel universe.

The Brexit mess is because Remainers in the H of C complain, block and procrastinate against Leaving.
There have been numerous peaceful marches in London.
There has been a whole Leavers party called a Change Uk formed.

How on earth are you feeling “silenced”?

Nice try OP

Own view is this leaves us where we were, country split pretty much down the middle and completely polarised. No mood to compromise. Brexiteers should recognise that a situation where they drag half the country into the shitstorm of no deal against their will is unconscionable

I agree with this very much. In what other situation would you make half your family/workforce/friends do something they really, really don’t want to do and expect them to go along with it smiling. It’s the equivalent of trying to plan a hen party for a friend by saying - I know half of you would be happy going out in town but half of us want to do ... something else, not sure what or when but it’s going to be a massive hassle to get to and it’s going to get very expensive, we’ll let you know on the day - and expecting people to show up.

''This will lead to a People's Vote Thank goodness, we won't be silenced any more''

Oh the irony.

Remoaners have been anything but silent since they lost the first ''peoples vote''

The point, all hail, is that ever since the referendum, people like you have wanked on about the “will of the people” conveniently ignoring the huge block of the people who don’t want this. By what right does the Brexit contingent excommunicate me from the people? If you want to a lemming, fine. Drag me off the cliff with you and I’ve a right to be pissed off. If the bog eyed brexiteers trash this country bus no deal they will I think pay a price, because they will be hated for it. Although of course they will whine it’s someone else’s fault.

I think what’s interesting is that leave voters are following Nigel Farage the personality, not the actual politics or party.

Tony Blair was a very experienced politician and he told us Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
^^

This

Helped along by his spin doctor Alastair Campbell no less (but apparently we should just believe him cos he’s paid by he bbc and knows what he’s on about😂)

I just wish critical thinking would return!! Seems people will believe anything if it ties in to their social media driven view points.

One argument that we can discount is the “let’s have another vote because we know so much more now.”
We DO know so much more now and it doesn’t seem to have made any difference.

Yes pingu only this hen party will not only empty your wallet, it will prevent you ever filling it again.
I wish brexiteers could see how much the rest of Europe is laughing at them. They think it’s remainers in their own country who sneer - they’ve no idea. But opening their eyes to other perspectives not a strong point for these guys.

Notanotherjaffa I’m a leave voter, I am certainly not following farage the personality he’s largely a twat. But at least he’s a twat that is willing to follow through on what the majority of the voters wanted 3years ago and it still seems that way

Why have people said Change UK are a single issue remain party?! They have never been that - it’s cos Chuka Umunna got hacked off with Jeremy, and Luciana Berger left Labour due to antisemitism...

They’ve formed themselves because they’re angry with the state of UK politics, but not specifically because they support remain...

And how is he going to do that lifeover? What’s his no deal contingency planning? What are his aims for continued cooperation on medicines, energy, security, data transfer? Financial services- do we aim for equivalence and if not what’s the damage to London markets? What’s the rest of his policy platform for post Brexit Britain?
Come on, enlighten us [grin{

I'm fed up with the whole fecking debacle!

We had a referendum which resulted in the majority voting to leave, therefore we need to leave to uphold the result of the vote - that's democracy. MPs need to get their heads out of their arses and get on with it.

Btw I voted remain.

Yep, doesn’t mean anything really. My DH wants to leave, but voted Green for other reasons.

We live in a democracy right? We voted out of the eu yes?
So why is this brexit debatable? You have to ask yourself why is GB starting to become a dictatorship. I mean do you think there would be all this if we voted to stay in?

Older people and racists wanted to leave.

I am not old and I certainly am no racist.