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To be delighted That Leave Have Lost

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donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 00:18

I know it looks as if Brexit have won but in every single case, if you add up all the votes secured by the other parties then together they have more votes than Brexit. That means more people want to remain in Europe than Leave.

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Quartz2208 · 27/05/2019 16:34

Yes at not following some privileged white men off a cliff that will line their pockets whilst making everyone else’s life more difficult

I am not anti leave so much as anti leaving without a clear plan or any clear positives for doing so

If someone could show me a clear workable plan for leaving and the clear benefits for doing so I would vote for it because it sounds good.

At the moment though that doesn’t exist and people are just following like a cult the idea of leaving. We need and deserve more than Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg.

And yes we may well deserve more than juncker et al are prepared to give (although that is partly because we have long since given up our seat at the table our choice of MEPs and PM caused that) but leaving should bring us more and I am not sure it ever will not least of all because many policies are home grown so we will be in trouble

TheSandman · 27/05/2019 16:39

If Scotland gain independence and remain in the Uk it will be interesting to see how much contribution they will be expected to make to the EU. I hope the EU wouldn’t expect them to pay anything like the amount the UK as a while has had to pay.

I hope that was a typo and you meant to say "If Scotland gain independence and remain in the UE" Because when we go indy there will be no UK. There will be 'Scotland' one one side of the border and 'England, Wales, and Northern Ireland' on the other. The 'UK' will cease to exist.

How much we will have to pay? No idea but as the Britnat establishment has been telling us for years we are a drain on their economy and subsidy junkies I would have thought they would be glad to see the back of us. Unless they're lying through their teeth and we do in fact contribute more to the UK economy that they want to admit. But what are the chances of that eh?

TheSandman · 27/05/2019 16:41

Gnaaargh! I out typo-ed myself! EU not UE.

colouringinpro · 27/05/2019 16:47

This.

To be delighted That Leave Have Lost
LovelyJubblee · 27/05/2019 16:48

Yawn.

GreyofSunshine · 27/05/2019 17:03

In the absence of agreement as to whether more Leavers or Remainers voted, can we at least all have a laugh at Tommy Robinson?

Suiker · 27/05/2019 17:12

What I think the results should demonstrate is that Brexit is over as a government policy, and we should just revoke Article 50.

The results demonstrate that 30%+ of the country support a no deal Brexit. That's around 3/5th of those who support Brexit. That 30% should simply be ignored. No sensible government would ever support no deal, and at best, maybe 20% want a negotiated Brexit. 50% want to remain. So we have 50% remain, 20% Brexit. That's an overwhelming message that Remain is the only way forward.

Cwenthryth · 27/05/2019 17:17

I’d be interested to see your workings out on that one Suiker, I think there’s some massive assumptions being made in your interpretation there, and I don’t think national policy should be worked out on the back of a fag packet Smile

Suiker · 27/05/2019 17:21

Numbers are rounded, but the argument holds I think. Only a small minority want a Brexit that is possible.

Cwenthryth · 27/05/2019 17:23

But where are you getting those numbers from? You’re extrapolating wildly from yesterday’s election to a theoretical second referendum, and it just doesn’t hold.

Suiker · 27/05/2019 17:25

I'm getting the 30% who voted for the Brexit Party as 30% we can ignore as their Brexit is not implementable. I think it's pretty easy to get the 50% (Green + Lib Dem + SNP + at least half labour). So by definition, only 20% want a manageable Brexit

Nat6999 · 27/05/2019 17:38

Nigel Farage has managed to get so many votes because he is good at manipulating the media, far better than any of the main parties. He could be giving free ice cream as one of his policies but because he is good with the media he would still get high amount of votes. He says that Brexit party would do well in a general election but I'm not so sure. I honestly think that there has been a strong element of protest voting this time because voters know that if we exit the EU the consequences of the result won't last long.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 27/05/2019 17:40

Ten year olds voting and 70 year olds disenfranchised - you lost all credibility with that, OP

I agree with this. The last three years have shown that many adults weren't aware of what the EU was or does. It is ridiculous to think that young children who are not even old enough to be left alone at home are capable of making a decision of such magnitude.

All that would happen is that their parents would have extra votes - and I can't think of a single person who would believe that is a fair and right thing to do (except maybe Andrea Leadsom whom obviously thinks that as she has children she has more of a stake in the future!).

It is also unfair and ageist to remove a vote from people who you deem too old to have an opinion on something that still affects them - as citizens of this country.

I am a remainer. As is my 85 year old father and my 72 year old mother in law. However, OP I wonder if you have any opinions of your own as you are very desperate to rely on other people's and the media - and we all know how they can spin facts.

The truth is, no one won today and the only losers with Brexit will be the poor people who voted for them.

Cwenthryth · 27/05/2019 17:47

Few things there Suiker - it’s your opinion that no deal is not implementable, that’s not a given like you’re assuming, other people think differently and you can’t just write them off because you disagree and believe you know better. Also, you can’t say that everyone who voted for the Brexit Party would vote first choice no deal in a second referendum - that’s a flawed assumption. Many likely prefer a deal, but are frustrated at the Tories’ failure/Labour shitshow and it was a protest vote. I just don’t think you’re following sound logic, certainly not sound enough to just unilaterally reverse the referendum at this point. And finally - you’re still taking yesterday’s results as a straight interpretation of a pseudo-second referendum, which they’re not.

NCforthis2019 · 27/05/2019 17:48

Dear oh dear.

Suiker · 27/05/2019 17:52

Cwenthryth, I think you think look at my post as slightly tongue in cheek, and not take it so literally. Sadly, we can't ignore those who voted for Brexit Party

LeSquigh · 27/05/2019 17:58

Suiker

You think that all the people who voted to leave should be ignored? Why? Because it suits you?

I bothered to go out and vote (Leave). Leave won. If people were all so bothered about it they should have actually gone out and voted, but clearly they didn’t.

For the many Remainers who think we should have another referendum, would you be saying the same if the vote had gone your way? Of course you wouldn’t. A democratic vote cannot be ignored or changed just because some people have the hump about it. This was never going to please everyone. It is the will of the people (that could be arsed to vote) so it should go ahead. Deal or no deal.

For those that are arguing that yesterday’s vote was a win for Remain - you can argue it until you are blue in the face but you are wrong and you are making yourselves appear extremely dim.

In addition, whilst Mumsnet might be full of Remainers (or people saying they are), the figures don’t add up in real life. Leave won, end of.

woman19 · 27/05/2019 18:06

Leave won
When?

Suiker · 27/05/2019 18:08

You think that all the people who voted to leave should be ignored? Why?

No, only those who subsequently voted BP, because they are voting for something unworkable.

bellinisurge · 27/05/2019 18:13

If you still BeLeave then you vote for the Brexshit Party.
If you want to Leave but not over a cliff edge, you should have supported WA.
By failing to support WA you took us further away from Brexit.

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/05/2019 18:13

woman19

Leave won
When?

At the same time as remain did.

shartsi · 27/05/2019 18:14

Now that remainers think they have won, there is no need for a second referendum. The Tories can get on with leaving knowing the remainers will be happy in their big win bubbleHmm

GreyofSunshine · 27/05/2019 18:18

For the many Remainers who think we should have another referendum, would you be saying the same if the vote had gone your way? Of course you wouldn’t. A democratic vote cannot be ignored or changed just because some people have the hump about it.
This cuts both ways. Farage himself, when he thought the Referendum was going to be a narrow Remain victory, said that it wouldn't be over.

Everyone calling for a second referendum now wouldn't be if Remain won, if it had been a narrow Remain win, Farage and other Brexiteers would be demanding a second referendum. We're all hypocrites in that respect.

I support a second referendum mainly because it appears to me to be the only viable way of breaking the deadlock in parliament.

Justanotherlurker · 27/05/2019 18:20

Leave won
When?

Well we had a referendum where leave won, we then had a GE which the 2 main parties made manifesto pledges to respect the result, we have just had a results come through where a party stated ~5 weeks ago has won 29 seats.

Its a lot more murky than the ardent supporters on both sides like to make out, if its true that only 12% of tory voters went to BP and 13% of labour supporters did it also makes a mockery of the vocal Labour remainers shouting from the roof tops of them being uneducated as it looks bad on them voting labour.

This result has shown that people are trying to polish a turd and set up narrative

isthatabloborwhat · 27/05/2019 18:23

the other group shouldn't be allowed a vote
So much for democracy, eh?

I don't want my future decided by a 90 year old!
My 92 year old MIL voted Remain in the referendum, and voted Green this time.

I voted Leave in the referendum. This time I voted Green because, as my 20-year-old DC so eloquently put it:

"Being in or out of the EU won't matter in the end, but without a planet we are fucked".