To be delighted That Leave Have Lost

[donotcovertheradiator]

I know it looks as if Brexit have won but in every single case, if you add up all the votes secured by the other parties then together they have more votes than Brexit. That means more people want to remain in Europe than Leave.

Do you realise that older people have the benefit of their experience when choosing how they vote? It is beyond offensive to suggest they should be denied the vote. 10 year olds on the other hand are likely to vote how their parents tell them to (I can’t believe I am having to say this).

OP you realise that (your saviour) Jeremy Corbyn turned 70 yesterday, and you would deny him a vote in a second referendum? Can you see how silly that sounds?

Well that would be one less vote for Leave I suppose!

There has got to be a People's Vote and the clear way for Remain to at last have the political will of the people heard is to have Remain as one option and then split Leave into 3 or 4 options. That will split the Leave vote leaving Remain the clear uncontested winner.

Surely though this is the reverse of the EU Election results which is a victory for Remain, according to you?

I'm still laughing at some of the simplistic comments regarding the Remain 'victory.' At the very best, it's pretty much an even split between leave and remain.

Dongding

Placemats IF there will be a 2nd vote on brexit you will be given a sheet of paper with the words Leave or Remain (there may be other things like leave with deal, leave with no deal) but I doubt very much this will happen.

There will be no MP's names on the paper. Ok?

This was not a vote about Brexit. It was a vote for you to have your say about who you would like to represent you, for as long as we are within the EU.

Granted Brexit was uppermost in voters minds and they voted as such. Hence why The Tories and Labour did so badly. A big message from the UK was sent to them. A full shake up of both major parties is very much needed.

What does Gina Miller want? For the vote to be declared null and void?
An investigation so we can learn from what went wrong?

DarlingNikita These issues crop up in virtually every election. It’s usually down to human error.

The question in my mind is how long does the mandate given by the Referendum last? We have GEs every five years or less and Councillors serve 4 year terms. Setting aside the view that neither the two main parties which supported brexit won the GE, which could be interpretted as the public saying no to either of their versions of brexit, I think the mandate will expire soon anyway.

how, well I should like to learn whether or not it was human error in this case.

If you think 10 year olds should vote and not the elderly, who have contributed to this country their whole lives, then I think you're just as bad as those 'racist' leavers you keep harping on about.

There has got to be a People's Vote and the clear way for Remain to at last have the political will of the people heard is to have Remain as one option and then split Leave into 3 or 4 options. That will split the Leave vote leaving Remain the clear uncontested winner.

Brilliant satire OP - at this point in politics we've needed a return to Spitting Image more than ever before.

Fwiw there are many countries in the world who also embrace this style of voting. There's just one box though which makes it easier.

There is a world of difference between investigating why some people received their polling cards late and declaring an entire election result null and void!

"Brexit Party 2019 result compared to UKIP in 2014:
SEATS: 28 (+4)
VOTE SHARE: 31.5% (+4%)
It’s not just an exact replication of UKIP, but the numbers aren’t that impressive when looked at this way"

Full thread here:

twitter.com/DomWalsh13/status/1132894773797429248

The Hard Brexit vote has hardly changed - although UKIP 2014 would probably be considered back-stabbing Brexit-in-name-only treachery by today's standards, and it also at least pretended to be a real political party, not a one-man show with no manifesto.

So did Leave or Remain "win"?

Popular vote:
40.4% Anti Brexit
34.9% Pro Brexit
14.1% Labour
9.1% Conservatives

But in theory, both Labour and Conservative back some kind of Brexit (maybe). Shouldn't they be under "Anti Brexit"?

However in reality, whatever their official policy, many voters have obviously decided the two main parties can't be trusted to be solid Leave.

If the Conservatives really are a solid 100% Brexit party, why did so many of their voters switch to BRP? Why does the BRP even exist?

Likewise if Labour is pro Brexit, why have so many Labour Leavers switched to BRP? And did all the Lab Remainers switch to Green or LibDem? Or does that 14% contain some for whom a commitment to Labour trumps Remain/Leave? Or people who believe in the (pro-Remain) Parliamentary party more than Corbyn? In what proportion?

Who knows, I think there's enough confusion to muddy the waters and make it impossible to say whether Leave or Remain won.

I really don't see how Leave lost in the election, your figures are incorrect.

I honestly don't understand why we need a second vote, the people voted the first time and leave was the result. If we have another vote and it's still leave, will you still be having a sulk and claiming it's unfair?

Had it gone the other way originally, i am sure you would be saying that only one vote is needed - purely because it would have been the outcome you wanted.

If we don't leave the EU, I probably won't vote again - as clearly it is meaningless.

I'm a remainer through and through but I don't think these votes could be considered a victory. I feel quite deflated, and so sad about what this referendum has done to the UK.

Leave LOST and that is the view of most intelligent commentators on the media today so let's not lose heart

BBC headline at 1240

Brexit Party dominates in the EU Elections

The party has only just been launched ffs it’s win win for them there were not expected to do quite so well

And Jeremy is still non committal on a second referendum there goes Labour at the next GE

Leave did not win. Remain did not win. This vote was to elect MEPs.

Really LiquidSwords? You believe that?

Why are people bothering with remain won

The only thing worth saying is Brexit Party dominated and trounced it

As a remainer it didn’t feel like a win at all

Really LiquidSwords? You believe that?

Yes. The fact that people think otherwise just goes to show why the general public shouldn't really be trusted with voting on such major things.

No the Brexit party has not just been launched. Some of their newly elected MEPs were already sitting in the European Parliament under the Brexit banner, Farage and Suzanne Evans for two. They didn't just jump ship from UKIP six weeks ago either.

I though Farage was expecting 40% of the vote?

LiquidSwords

And the success of Plaid Cymru and the SNP is a great victory for remainers, then?

Gosh, this thread has brought out the morons hasn’t it?
Op should scweam and scweam and scweam until she gets her way.

To me it says there is almost no evidence that anyone has changed their mind
still virtually a tie as @kamelo said a third hard / no deal brexit, a third remain and a third probably either leave with a deal/remain

I know half a dozen people maybe that have changed their minds
2 to leave because that is what was voted for, 1 edging to leave, 1 to leave as changed mind, 2 changed mind to remain so basically one evens out the other
I have seen very little evidence of any movement above a handful of people changing