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To be delighted That Leave Have Lost

734 replies

donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 00:18

I know it looks as if Brexit have won but in every single case, if you add up all the votes secured by the other parties then together they have more votes than Brexit. That means more people want to remain in Europe than Leave.

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Aquilla · 27/05/2019 11:21

Desperate much, OP?

Drasticaction · 27/05/2019 11:21

Jeremy couldn't even win his own backyard!

kamelo · 27/05/2019 11:22

I remember, from a long long time ago now, my maths teacher telling me the line, "There are lies, damned lies and there are statistics" Basically you can take a statistic and make it suit your argument.
How can anyone possibly draw the conclusion that leave lost is beyond me and neither did remain win. At best it was a score draw.

To include nationalist parties (PC and SNP)with the remain vote is flawed as a significant percentage voted leave. People voted LibDem, Green for more reasons than just remain whereas there is only one reason people voted Brexit/Change UK. Where do you place Conservative and Labour? Conservative is predominantely leave and Labour...... well they just face both ways and commit to nothing.

So, on the basis of facts:
Brexit/UKIP = LibDem/Green/Change UK = Cons/Lab/Nationalists.

A third of so each, a score draw.

In all honesty it shows how there is no majority for anything either in Parliament or in the country.

Weedsnseeds1 · 27/05/2019 11:24

To me it looks pretty much a representation of the original referendum.
Scotland remain, Wales leave ( with the exception of the areas which traditionally vote Plaid Cymru, which doesn't necessarily equate to a vote to remain, in my opinion, but a vote for PC), Bristol a little island of remain in a sea of leave in the South West etc.
There may be a small shift from leave to remain overall, but that doesn't really help as it was the very narrow margin in the referendum that has lead to this debacle, both sides feel aggrieved.
Does anybody know if Gibraltar got to vote?

donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 11:24

SNP now have 38% of the vote. It couldn't be clearer-Scotland want to Remain. Are we going to continue to ignore them!

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/05/2019 11:25

I have quite enjoyed the thrashing labour and tory got in this election

I know a lot of it is protest voting and won’t translate in a GE

But still very interesting

borntobequiet · 27/05/2019 11:25

Of course triggering Article 50 should have been delayed. It shouldn’t have happened until the conversation had taken place in this country as to what we wanted. Once that was known, discussions with the EU could have taken place on a rational basis.
As it was, I suspect May knew that any conversation in this country would have descended into chaos, so took the astonishing risk of going forward without it, with the result that the conversation with the EU was itself compromised. Given that, it was amazing that any agreement was come to at all. May actually did a good job in that under the circumstances, and deserves credit for it, as well as criticism for the many things she did wrong.

BertrandRussell · 27/05/2019 11:26

“We do Very well ourselves to keep moving forward with green issues.“

Do we? How come we seem to howl so much whenever more legislation comes through. Lightbulbs and hoovers come to mind!

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/05/2019 11:26

donotcovertheradiator
Thank you for posting that graph, which proves I and THE BBC are correct!

It really doesn't, that graphic is so open to interpretation that it is frankly worthless.

Pieceofpurplesky · 27/05/2019 11:26

Not sure if anyone has posted this. Comments I have read are that it's a slightly skewed vote as more brexiteers came out to vote than would normally do in a European election

To be delighted That Leave Have Lost
Bearbehind · 27/05/2019 11:26

SNP now have 38% of the vote. It couldn't be clearer-Scotland want to Remain. Are we going to continue to ignore them!

OP, I’m as Remain as they come but your statistics are making you look ridiculous.

You do realise 38% isn’t a majority don’t you?

Dana28 · 27/05/2019 11:27

Your just putting together random groupings trying to prove a point and failing dismally.

donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 11:27

Ian Blackford of the SNP urges us to respect democracy-they have 38% of the vote- and I am so hoping, hoping, hoping that we do.

This could be a surefire way to move forward and leave the silly Brexit party behind.

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donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 11:28

Thank you @Bearbehind. Yes, I do realise 38% isn't a majority but as Ian Blackford said, it is a result that can't be ignored.

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Piggywaspushed · 27/05/2019 11:28

People voted LibDem, Green for more reasons than just remain

In the current polarised political landscape I do not believe this to be true. You'll get a person popping up on this thread to say they did but it will be enormously rare.

I am a remainer (although not a hugely fervent one; I just fear the future and was happy with things as they were, Europe wise!) and voted LibDem last week because of their clarity on the issue of Europe : being as it was a European election! I nearly voted Green but was being tactical. I am a lifelong Labour supporter and it gave me no joy. I grew up on Red Clydeside and am quite sure if I still lived there I would have deserted Labour for the SNP, again fairly joylessly.

ineedaholidaynow · 27/05/2019 11:29

howwud I think a number of low paid working people voted Leave as they felt they weren’t being listened to or looked after by the politicians, as they face poverty, food banks etc. The sad thing is that their lives especially in the short and possibly medium term will be made worse if Brexit happens.

Bearbehind · 27/05/2019 11:29

48% voted Remain in the referendum and are being ignored.

bellinisurge · 27/05/2019 11:29

I voted Lib Dem for one reason only.

Piggywaspushed · 27/05/2019 11:30

weeds , Gibraltar returned a 77% LD vote.

donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 11:32

Exactly and that isn't right is it. In fact, if all those who wanted to remain had actually voted in the Referendum instead of rightly feeling disenfranchised=Remain would have had a massive majority.

Are we, as Gina Miller pointed out, to ignore their voices!!!

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ineedaholidaynow · 27/05/2019 11:33

The Brexit Party have 31% of the vote and that is not a majority either

Bearbehind · 27/05/2019 11:37

OP, I’m not arguing that it’s right to ignore large chunks of the population, just pointing out they’ve ignored 48% so won’t think twice about ignoring 38%. It’s delusional to think otherwise.

Conks · 27/05/2019 11:37

Hilarious that you think Corbyn will be our saviour. If I wanted to live in Venezuela, I’d move there.

howwudufeel · 27/05/2019 11:38

Gina Miller is now complaining about ex pats not having a vote. I don’t know how this impacts the statistics but it worries me that at a time when the country needs certainty and clarity, people are still trying to stir up chaos.

Lweji · 27/05/2019 11:38

Hilarious that you think Corbyn will be our saviour. If I wanted to live in Venezuela, I’d move there.

This just shows ignorance about Venezuela.