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To be delighted That Leave Have Lost

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donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 00:18

I know it looks as if Brexit have won but in every single case, if you add up all the votes secured by the other parties then together they have more votes than Brexit. That means more people want to remain in Europe than Leave.

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RosaWaiting · 27/05/2019 10:55

Bertrand just wondering why environment and leave are mutually exclusive in your mind? Also, what do you think Theresa May should have done?

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donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 10:59

@Miljah. Thank you for posting that graph, which proves I and THE BBC are correct!

@GigglingHysterically. You may laugh all you like at my suggestion-it seems I'm fair game-but I do believe that is what is going to happen and I haven't made it up, as I have heard politicians and Gina Miller argue for it.

The Real People's Vote will have Remain-that can't be divided down into options- and Leave which luckily can be divided down into options.

This will split the Leave vote and we will REMAIN, which is what the majority of thinking, non racist, people in the UK actually want.

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Piggywaspushed · 27/05/2019 11:02

I am sure Bertrand or another PP actually explained why environment and leave are mutually exclusive. That's like being a so called environmentalist but deciding to vote for Trump. I genuinely can't get my head round someone voting Green yet wanting to Leave. It makes me wonder whether any voters really know what their parties say.

I refuse to believe anyone voting LibDem wants to leave : I believe their position is clear!

I do think the party in the biggest mess is Labour. They have to decide who they most want to desert : their once bed rock working class voters by joining the firm remain and showing themselves to care most about the middle class vote. Or desert their Guardian reading Londoners, who feel pretty much let down anyway. God, I wouldn't want to be in Labour HO right now.

The class divide has not been so stark since the 80s. I feel depressed.

Piggywaspushed · 27/05/2019 11:04

And, of course, Scotland has deserted the Labour party. That's incredible incompetence by Labour.

ASMRLover · 27/05/2019 11:08

You do realise EU citizens were allowed to vote in these elections, while the referendum was for UK citizens only? That's potentially around 3million+ extra people who very likely voted for remain parties. But they have will have no vote in a 2nd referndum, if there is one.

Cinderella812 · 27/05/2019 11:09

It may not be so black and white. For example, I voted one way in the referendum, but I voted for a party in the European elections that feels the opposite way about Brexit. The referendum was about whether we want to stay in the EU. This election was about who would best represent our interests in Europe (while we are still in it). This was not a second referendum. Although it seems as though it has been treated that way by many people.

everythingisginandroses · 27/05/2019 11:09

OP, YANBU.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 27/05/2019 11:09

Does the EU want Scotland without the rest of the UK, though?

Spain was the only member state who've said no in the past, which they've now changed.

EU leaders have said yes, and have met with Nicola Sturgeon.

BertrandRussell · 27/05/2019 11:11

“Bertrand just wondering why environment and leave are mutually exclusive in your mind? Also, what do you think Theresa May should have done?”

Because much of the “red tape” that Leavers are so keen to see the back of is sound environmental protection legislation.

And May should have had something in place-a cross party committee, some discussion documents, draft deals -sonething- before she set the clock ticking.

isthatabloborwhat · 27/05/2019 11:12

This wasn't an in/out referendum though, was it? You are comparing apples and oranges.

Many people will have voted for the same party they always vote for regardless of Brexit, so you can't really assume that every vote cast was in direct response to whether they are a remainer or a leaver.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/05/2019 11:12

Although it seems as though it has been treated that way by many people

I completely blame our politicians for this one

howwudufeel · 27/05/2019 11:12

If Scotland gain independence and remain in the Uk it will be interesting to see how much contribution they will be expected to make to the EU. I hope the EU wouldn’t expect them to pay anything like the amount the UK as a while has had to pay.

Suiker · 27/05/2019 11:14

I do think the party in the biggest mess is Labour. They have to decide who they most want to desert : their once bed rock working class voters by joining the firm remain and showing themselves to care most about the middle class vote

Isn’t it about having to choose if the care most about the working class vote of the working class. No-one thinks Leave will benefit working people

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donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 11:14

Just watched Jeremy on BBC News. Calm and collected and ready for a General Election which they will win and protect us all. Thank goodness for integrity.

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NunoGoncalves · 27/05/2019 11:15

The fact that so many people voted as though this was a leave/remain referendum just goes to show why the general public shouldn't be given a vote on things like brexit. Jesus.

birdandroses · 27/05/2019 11:15

With 2 regions still to be counted, Conservatives have lost most seats, followed by Labour. Brexit party is UKIP’s successor. They didn’t inherit all of UKIP’s and the Tories’ seats as they have only managed to better UKIP’s 2014 total by four

Lib Dems and Green have both increased their seats significantly. This signals a big swing to Remain.

Peregrina · 27/05/2019 11:16

Many people can't always have voted for the same parties as usual or Labour and Tories would both have done much much better.

Presumably as a small country, the size of the Baltic states, Scotland would pay the same sort of monetary share?

Kaddm · 27/05/2019 11:17

I don’t agree. I think it’s wishful thinking on the part of people who want us to overturn the result of the referendum. That includes high profile people at the BBC.

I voted remain. However I do think we should leave because that was the result of the referendum. I voted Lib Dem in these elections, however this was not so we could remain. I’ve voted Lib Dem before. So it’s wrong to suggest everyone voting Lib Dem, Green etc wants to overturn the referendum result. Many voting green do so for the environment - not as an anti brexit thing.

ScreamingLadySutch · 27/05/2019 11:17

Miljah Anne Widdecombe dealt with that BBC point.

I am old enough to remember when Margaret Thatcher privatised British Telecom.

Shriek, scream, wail, moan. Disaster, awful, she is evil.

She did it. Funny how after the much much better services were experienced, nobody campaigned to go back to waiting lists for telephone lines....

So lets just do it, and if it doesn't work (which I doubt), negotiate back in. UK after all is the second largest economy in Europe. I do not get the terror.

ScreamingLadySutch · 27/05/2019 11:17

Miljah Anne Widdecombe dealt with that BBC point.

I am old enough to remember when Margaret Thatcher privatised British Telecom.

Shriek, scream, wail, moan. Disaster, awful, she is evil.

She did it. Funny how after the much much better services were experienced, nobody campaigned to go back to waiting lists for telephone lines....

So lets just do it, and if it doesn't work (which I doubt), negotiate back in. UK after all is the second largest economy in Europe. I do not get the terror.

Drasticaction · 27/05/2019 11:17

We don't need the EU to give us rules and law's on the environment.

We do Very well ourselves to keep moving forward with green issues.

I can't understand why anyone thinks we need people sat in Brussels to help us make law's!!

howwudufeel · 27/05/2019 11:18

Lots of working people think they will benefit from leaving. It’s completely wrong to claim otherwise. I don’t agree with them but it’s plain wrong to suggest that no working people believe they will benefit.

Drasticaction · 27/05/2019 11:20

The other propaganda we have heard over 3 year's is that people have changed their minds, now they know the facts etc.

People don't want to leave an should be given another chance to show this.
I think this clearly shows leave voters have not changed their minds.

Piggywaspushed · 27/05/2019 11:20

We do Very well ourselves to keep moving forward with green issues.

We do????! Really?

That'll be why a giant (American funded) incinerator is being built in Tory heartland Bedfordshire then.

Rainbunny · 27/05/2019 11:21

They haven't counted Scotland or Northern Ireland yet have they? I'd wait until all the results are in.

The annoying thing is that while I think it's fair to say that a Conservative vote is a vote for leave in most cases, it's harder to read what a Labour vote means. I'm in a Labour stronghold area but it's also one of the strongest Remain areas in the country, I know many people who are remainers but as committed Labour supporters, they voted Labour (I voted LibDem for the record).

However I have a hard time thinking that a Brexiteer Labour supporter would have actually voted for Labour in these elections over the Brexit party if they were trying to send a clear signal that they wanted Brexit to go ahead? I'm tempted to see Labour votes as more of a Remain vote (or at least a softer Brexit vote). I'd be interested to hear any Brexiteer Labour Supporters thoughts on this though.

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