To be delighted That Leave Have Lost

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I know it looks as if Brexit have won but in every single case, if you add up all the votes secured by the other parties then together they have more votes than Brexit. That means more people want to remain in Europe than Leave.

So if that is what Alastair Campbell says, it must be true, then.

I'm pro-EU, but Leave very clearly won and people are delusional if they think otherwise.

No, it's delusional to say this. People keep banging on about the 52% who voted for leaving in the referendum, therefore it makes sense to look at the percentage of overall votes here. The fact is that more people signed the referendum petition than voted for Brexit; and, given what has happened over the last 3 years, the fact that Brexit only got four more seats than UKIP did is a pretty poor showing if the electorate really was desperate to leave.

I see why you might find it hard to make common ground with strangers, NeverTalksToStrangers!

The sad thing for me is that this isn't about leave or stay. Its all over taken the real purpose of this actual vote.

There are lots of uneducated and uninformed decisions on here

Statistics that the leave votes came from mostly the older generation is based on a small number of samples blown up to the size of the country. I am a secondary school teacher and I teach only 14 year olds and older and the amount of people that are pro Brexit is astounding.

My SIL who was 22 at the time also voted leave, as did most of her friends. She was never once considered in any of the surveys carried out.

There will never be a second referendum, the riots and unrest arising from it would be disasterous for all involved. We had a fair, democratic vote which everyone had the chance to vote and reflect their opinions on. If people didn't vote in it then that's they're doing, they knew the risk

Some people are acting ridiculously childish and incredulous just because people have differing opinions.

Now if we can stop insulting others, and respect other peoples opinions that would be wonderful

we are still leaving the EU

Are we?

I do love a hit of confidence...ive personally no idea what those muppets are up to and as we didn’t leave when we were supposed to ive no bloody confidence

Your talking nonsense leave have far from lost
If all the political parties had worked together to achieve Brexit we might not be in this flamin mess, i blame every politician who tried to stop Brexit and not respecting the Leave EU vote, the country is run by a lot of first class idiot's

Britain is ALREADY part of the WTO. Therefore, regarding tariff negotiations with other economies (China - billions of people, India - billions of people, Africa - billions of people, NAFTA - a billion or so, the Commonwealth (if they forgive colonial history) UK can either keep the tariffs they are under with the EU, raise them, or

they can lower them AND lower corporate taxes.

I really don't know what the terrible panic is all about. Brexit is about leaving a safe, very large but over regulated protectionist market, to try its hand in the global market leaner, cleaner and more competitive. Paradoxically, economically it EMBRACES globalisation. Yes it is a risk.

But please don't call Leavers stupid or [insert ad hominem insult], they do actually understand what the issues are.

Do you know that Africa, that desperately poor continent, produces nearly all of the cocoa of the world. Desperately poor people, growing cocoa and harvesting it by hand (including child labour), and putting it into sacks to be sold on the commodities markets. - They get 2% of the wealth of cocoa products? Two. per. cent. That is colonisation by any name.

Why can't African cocoa producing countries set up chocolate factories and chocolate processing plants and GET THE VALUE ADD from their own manufacturing processes instead of being exploited like this?

The reason? World and especially EU tariffs that block manufactured goods from coming in. Chocolate only gets manufactured in Switzerland and Belgium! (and a few Quaker families in the UK in the past) Same with coffee. The EU has over 100 tariffs for coffee.

Well, Britain could deal better with Africa, which is a huge and growing market.

PS Mendelez which now owns Nestle and Cadbury's is reducing the cocoa content of its products and increasing palm oil to keep the mouth feel. (Lindt doesn't use palm oil)

Imagine if Africans were able to supply the world with proper chocolate and reap the rewards of their own resources.

But OP, leave are the only ones who have got a clear party of choice. It's the other party's who can't grasp a clear-cut opinion and stick with it.

Weren't 'Change UK' the remain party???

If anyone is in any doubt.....

Tactical voting is imo a wasted vote. You should vote for the party which has the most policies you agree with or the one that has a policy you very strongly agree with and is more important than any other policy.

RB68

I completely agree

Its very sad that politics is being twisted like this

Looks like you are going to have to go best out of 5 now if you want remain to win.

Keep voting until you get what YOU want.

Why can't you accept that people want to leave.

We had a fair, democratic vote

If only it was, but the leave campaign was far from fair and democratic.

There have been two referendums

I know it suits many people’s agendas to pretend that the last GE was a referendum and so was this

Oh and quick disclaimer

I dont think we should have had the referendum in 2016 as it was set up

I dont trust them not to bollox up another one!!!!

Sorry to disappoint but I voted green for environmental issues. I’m still a leaver and in a referendum I’d probably vote leave again

I find that a bit baffling, tbh. The environmental protection regulations in the EU are quite significant and there are no guarantees that a future government will maintain them if they can save money and/or reduce the burden on business by not doing so.

We'd probably still be pumping untreated sewage out into the sea if the EU hadn't prohibited it.

If we do actually leave then everyone has lost, including leavers, they just won't admit it. Saving face seems to be all some people are interested in.

If the Lib Dems had achieved the number of seats that the Brexit Party won, no doubt remainers would be saying that its a clear mandate for Remain.
Its rather funny how they are trying to twist the election results to say that a majority of people would prefer to Remain.

My DB voted Leave in 2016. Still wants to leave.
He voted green in the EU elections as he supports their environmental policies, not because they want to remain.

I'm sure there are many like that, and trying to call it anything other than a clean sweep for BXP is nonsense.

Doesn’t matter how you spin the figures though, we will be leaving the EU at some point. Which delights me!

@JamesBlonde. That is the stupid, simplistic and downright untrue map that I said was in the Daily Fail.

So if that is what Alastair Campbell says, it must be true, then.

If Alistair Campbell told me I have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs, I'd count them just to check he wasn't lying.

Now, remind me - where were those weapons of mass destruction?

“British business is actually booming because of Brexit.—— We haven't left yet.” Exactly well said

And as a owner of a British business I can confirm we are suffering with the uncertainty , the currency losses , the burden of getting ready for Brexit etc.

Noyo

I’m exactly the same as yr brother

One of the many things I don’t understand about this whole thing is people with a strong commitment to and concern about environmental issues voting Leave.