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To be delighted That Leave Have Lost

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donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 00:18

I know it looks as if Brexit have won but in every single case, if you add up all the votes secured by the other parties then together they have more votes than Brexit. That means more people want to remain in Europe than Leave.

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LakieLady · 27/05/2019 09:45

This country is in a massive mess. I blame David Cameron. I hope history will judge him very harshly.

The man's a traitor. The first responsibility of a PM is to make decisions in the best interests of the country. By calling a referendum in the hope of neutralising the damage done to the Tory party by UKIP, he put the interests of his party above the interests of the country.

The consequence of this is that while the electorate and parliament are devoting their time and energy to Brexit, the Tories are decimating the public services we (almost) all depend on, and no-one's noticing because they're all distracted by Brexit.

RosemaryRemember · 27/05/2019 09:49

There is definitely a PR win to be had by MEPs donating their salary, or a fair chunk of it to charity.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 27/05/2019 09:49

It is interesting that Farage was unable to gain enough votes to become an MP but in the last GE UKIP (which was Farages party) in the number of votes came third nearly twice as many votes for UKIP than the libdems

He certainly is able to shake politics but not go the whole distance that doesn’t mean he isn’t a serious player in our political system because he certainly is

My guess is now Boris will jump on these results to gain back the Tory voters but I am unsure what Labour will do

LillianGish · 27/05/2019 09:49

I think what is still not clear from the Brexit Party is what exactly they mean by leave? Are they advocating a No Deal Brexit and is that what everyone who voted for them voted for or were some people still voting for the rainbows and unicorns Brexit promised by the Boris Johnson leave campaign at the time of the first referendum? If you live in Scunthorpe for instance where the leave vote was massive and Brexit party support is high are you happy to see the end of British Steel and the loss of thousands of jobs (caused in part - though admittedly not entirely - by Brexit) or do you believe that Brexit is somehow a magic solution to all your woes? Are Brexit Party voters all happy to wreck the economy and be poorer or do they still believe there is a magic deal to be done which only Nigel Farage can achieve? The biggest problem for achieving Brexit is that while Remain means Remain, Brexit means any number of the things to any number of Brexiteers which is why there is never a consensus.

TheSandman · 27/05/2019 09:49

Scotland want to stay in the EU. The only way we can manage to do this would be leaving England to its own devices.

Good. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out

Aye. But there's no one can say we haven't been a good neighbour and tried to stop them from doing this monumentally stupid thing.

My hat is off to the FM, Blackford, Cherry et al for trying so hard.

It's like living in a semi-detached house and watching your neighbour stockpiling petrol - then watching them thinking it's a good idea to get pissed and have a BBQ right next to the pile of jerry cans.

Gonnae no dae that?

But I think our patience is ended. Time to move.

NeverTalksToStrangers · 27/05/2019 09:51

I think you could assume that the majority of the Labour vote was by remainers as they polled best in areas where there had been a high remain %. Tories were the opposite.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131

If this can be taken as a vote to remain/leave, then in my view remain are slightly victorious. Not forgetting that NI results aren't in yet.

Gigglinghysterically · 27/05/2019 09:54

@BiggerBoat1

"I blame David Cameron. I hope history will judge him very harshly."
He may be judged sooner than you think. The newspapers are reporting his friends have disclosed he wants to return to politics. He is apparently considering standing at Sevenoaks in the next GE and wants to be Foreign secretary. He is apparently mind-numbingly bored. (Diddums).

It does say he may not want to be in a government led by Boris Johnson so I guess it depends on who the next Tory PM is.

ScreamingLadySutch · 27/05/2019 09:54

Um, not quite right.

Anne Widdecombe pointed out that people voted Green and Lib Dem for many other reasons than Brexit. The Brexit party had one issue that people voted for.

Therefore, you cannot say that many more people were voting for Remain.

She makes a good point.

For the sake of British businesses which are suffering every day

British business is actually booming because of Brexit. I am not too sure how you analyse the lowest unemployment in Europe and the highest FDI in Europe, as 'suffering', but there we are.

RosemaryRemember · 27/05/2019 09:57

Its hard to make the call on the Labour voters. Core Labour is all I would venture.

RosaWaiting · 27/05/2019 09:57

OP "many of the first group may now be deceased"

okay, I haven't read the whole of this mad thread yet. Yes, my father is deceased, he voted Remain. How does that fit with your logic?

this whole thread idea might be one of the most deluded political propositions I've ever heard.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/05/2019 09:57

She makes a good point

She really doesnt

Not following the last GE at any rate....

If that hadn’t happened then yes it would have been a good point

FreshAprilStart · 27/05/2019 09:58

As a Scot who voted No in the independence referendum, it's looking more like we need to break away.

England is becoming such a racist place and more and more isolated.

I feel truly sorry for all the good people in England who still have a moral compass, but you're becoming the minority.

TheAngryLlama · 27/05/2019 09:59

One thing we can state with certainty: screaming lady sutch does not have any first hand acquaintance with British business. If she did she’d have a clear idea of how much time and money has been wasted on this massive distraction since 2016.
Uk business has done an amazing job at planning for this and at concealing its frustration. We have been helped by pragmatic and sensible responses from regulators. They get it and they want this managed with minimal disruption. Sad to think tho how much better we could have done if we’d been able to invest the time and money spent on Brexit in our businesses.

LillianGish · 27/05/2019 09:59

British business is actually booming because of Brexit. We haven't left yet.

NeverTalksToStrangers · 27/05/2019 10:00

It's only hard to make a call on labour if you can't read a graph...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131

I'll just post that again....

optimisticpessimist01 · 27/05/2019 10:00

I'm pro-EU, but Leave very clearly won and people are delusional if they think otherwise.

People can manipulate votes to see them however they like, Brexit won most elections and will have more MEPs and seats

It doesn't make a difference to anything anyway, we are still leaving the EU and this election certainly hasn't changed anything other than giving the Brexit party more seats.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 27/05/2019 10:00

I don’t just blame David Cameron for this mess I blame every MP that voted through parliament to have the referendum no discussions, no debate wtf were they thinking

They were not thinking ...

Suiker · 27/05/2019 10:00

As a nation, we use the First Past the Post system in our elections. So all the talk about how many voted for other parties is irrelevant. We rejected the chance to use in alternative system in 2011.

We do in General Elections, but not for European Elections

madeyemoodysmum · 27/05/2019 10:02

Sorry to disappoint but I voted green for environmental issues. I’m still a leaver and in a referendum I’d probably vote leave again

RosemaryRemember · 27/05/2019 10:02

In Scotland SNP provided a tactical outlet for "People's Vote"rs, Brexit Party stood on a platform of willing to leave with No Deal.

Anyone between those poles could listen to Jeremy Corbyn and feel comfortable sticking with Labour.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/05/2019 10:02

As 0 hours contracts and low hour contracts are counted as employed

And children who drop out before 18 arent be included as well as others who don’t register as unemployed as they won’t get any benefits or help so whats the point

I really don't think our low unemployment rates are that great

I would be very interested to see figures from countries on that basis...i think we would all be very similar

ConfCall · 27/05/2019 10:03

It’s difficult to say without knowing whether those who voted Lab/Cons are remainers or leavers. Also, Plaid/SNP voters may or may not be more concerned about independence, Green voters may or may not be voting on environmental issues. Only a second ref would tell us for sure I suppose.

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donotcovertheradiator · 27/05/2019 10:03

Thank you to the posters who agree with me-me, the BBC and several commentators that they had on last night. So, although some PP might insult my intelligence, it is plain silly to ignore the fact that these others think it too.

There has got to be a People's Vote and the clear way for Remain to at last have the political will of the people heard is to have Remain as one option and then split Leave into 3 or 4 options. That will split the Leave vote leaving Remain the clear uncontested winner.

Just seen a stupid map in the Daily Fail, showing England covered in the Light Blue Brexit colour. Talk about simplistic shite!

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/05/2019 10:03

We rejected the chance to use in alternative system in 2011

Wasnt the system suggested to us one of the worst PR systems going?

Can’t quite remember

prh47bridge · 27/05/2019 10:04

If people are going to say that the votes for SNP, Lib dems and green are all being voted for because they are remain parties and no other policies, then logic would suggest that both labour and conservative votes are for leave. Otherwise there are massive holes in the argument.

Exactly.

Votes for the Brexit party and UKIP are clearly for leave.

It is likely that a lot of the LIbDems upsurge is due to their clear remain position but that doesn't necessarily mean that all LibDem voters are for remain. Votes for the other parties are going to be a mixture of leave and remain.

So saying leave have lost (as per the OP) or remain have lost (as some others have said) is wishful thinking.