To be bored of the ‘it’s not gender it’s sex’ posts?

[HermioneMakepeace]

Seriously. Every time someone uses the word ‘gender’ this happens. Gender reveal parties, gender scans, etc. Everyone knows what they mean. Why nitpick and derail the thread?

The dictionary definition of gender is,

either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones.

It says ‘especially when’, not ‘only when’. IMO gender is a completely acceptable alternative to sex. And an easier term to use as it does not flag on work computers.

Does anybody else agree or AIBU?

Because the confusion between gender and sex has directly lead to the greatest threat to women's rights.

It's important and yet still many women don't understand. Until they do we're screwed.

YABU. Both of those examples specifically refer to sexual organs, so there is no overlap with non-biological aspects. The difference is more important now than in the past perhaps because people understand better that sex doesn't usually fit all of the corresponding gender.

Also YABVU if you mumsnet from work!

We're born with a sex. Gender is what is forced upon us as we grow and is what is keeping women as second class citizens.
Fuck that shit.

Yeah I know. Fuck, women's rights are tedious. I'd say more about it but I've got to pop back to the kitchen now.

@DramaRamaLlama But doesn’t the insistence that sex and gender are the same thing, ie determined at conception and unchangeable, help the argument rather than harm it?

@SmellsLikeAdultSpirit You are incredibly rude.

I too have been visited by the sanctimonious, sandwich board wielding, gritted teeth joy suckers of higher than thou miserysville. Makes you wonder if all their "real life friends" are also sick of them or if they're just pricks (ooh wait that suggests a penis !) on the internet 🤷🏼‍♀️ xx

Using an easier term vs understanding the difference between biology and societal expectations foisted on women? I choose sex

But I choose to use sex rather than gender when I'm talking about biology. Quaint silly coyness is one of the reasons we're in a mess right now.

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Always choose sex tee hee hee

"An easier term to use because it does not flag on work computers"....

You know several jobs need to use information with the word sex in it right? Do you honestly think someone is checking every time you use the word sex at work?

YABU- sex and gender are two different things. Sex is a biological fact, gender is a societal construct which changes with time and place.

Gender is being purposely used in place of sex as part of an effort to erase sex-based protections for women. So yeah, YABU.

YABU. Conflation of gender with sex is eroding women's rights.

@hermione only if everyone believed they were the same. And clearly they don't.

We have equality laws that protect our sex. If policies are written that substitute sex for gender it's women who lose out. That matters.

@Jen yep women fighting for women's rights are "joysuckers" what have they ever done for you eh?!

YABU, sex and gender are completely different things. It isn’t hard to just say sex

It absolutely important. People use gender rather than say sex out loud but you cannot confuse the two. I reject gendered behaviour but I have embraced the biological purpose of my sex and gestated humans.

Identity politics is pretty tedious if it's forced on you. Arguments erupt, ad hominem (well, more ad feminam) attacks are the norm.

Few people discussing these subjects acknowledge that most of the world's population do not give two shits about it all as they struggle through their daily lives.

I do get irritated when forms require me to mark my gender instead of my sex (female! Woman! XX!), but I accept that most of the world does not care. It's just terminology.

Yep I'm bored with it too op.

Going by the dictionary, ‘gender’ has two definitions: gender as sex and gender as a social construct. If someone uses ‘gender’ in the former sense, I really don’t think it’s helpful to have some smug person telling them they’re wrong.

Thanks @lucymegan, glad it’s not just me .

I think correcting someone at one of those sex reveal parties for babies is stupid, yes. Who cares. We know what you mean.

It is more important to protect distinction between biological sex and chosen gender e.g. in a medical context, or to protect women's spaces.

But if people jump down people's throats when it's harmless then it doesn't help, no.

Same here , sick to death of it.

Sick of it too. Read some threads of pregnant ladies asking for a cheeky guess on the gender of their baby and someone always has to say some negative or shitty remark.

Little to be at!

A practical example of the difference:

Sanitary towels/tampons/mooncups are an additional cost on the basis of Sex. This is biology

Makeup is an additional cost on the basis of Gender. This expectations