To ask is going to be next Tory leader?

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Surely we are not going to end up with Boris - apparently the bookies’ favourite .

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/94729/who-will-be-the-next-prime-minister-betting-odds-and-polls%3famp

And if we do end up with Boris or someone as awful, what do you think that will then lead to? A no deal Brexit? A General Election?

I think the forthcoming political crisis might be worse than what we have yet seen. And I am not looking forward to the gruesome sight of the Tory leadership contest.

Arrogant and entitled.

I buy more from Tesco than they buy from me. I am mystified at the tills every week when they won’t accept my renegotiating our trading exchange, because I am clearly in the stronger position.

*Today 12:37 wheresmymojo

I joined the Conservative party a couple of months ago so I could at least be involved in picking the least bad option. I fear though that the choices will be BoJo or Raab and I really think both are shit.

It's only £2 per month to join but you needed to have joined three months before the vote on the two contenders.*
Why would anyone with any concern for our NHS, education, policing, jobs, welfare ever vote Tory?

Why don’t we all join the Conservative Party and then we get to vote in the leadership election.

Ah. Cross post. Ok

The EU isn't a fucking country - i was under that impression too, so I'm not quite sure why the EU are so keen on exerting borders on people and countries that would rather they didn't have borders separating them. Only because thems the rules....

The ultimate goal is a World without Borders, "Imagine" that - "All the People Living as One" - the NI/RoI Border shouldn't even be up for discussion merely because a paltry, little inconsequential country like the UK decides to leave such a great and good organisation such as the EU.

As the EU is so good for all people, the planet, etc, etc surely they are the best placed to know that pissing around with a piddly little border on one of the thousands of islands within their "not a fucking country" remit is best left to the people who actually live on that island at the westernmost point of the EU's (not a country) border.?

the ERG and DUP, by voting against May’s deal, are the ones who got in the way of Brexit
May's deal wasn't Brexit, which is why it didn't get through, she tried to sneak remain in on the sly.

How on earth is Boris going to attract voters currently prepared to vote for Corbyn?
He doesn't need to. No-one from the violent anti-semitic/antifa far left would ever vote Tory.

Yawn.

Tripe on all counts.

This Tweet sums things up nicely.

Geez. Of course May's deal was Brexit, albeit with the safety net of Northern Ireland continuing to be a member of the customs union and parts of the single market if no other agreement or solution for the border could be agreed.

Given that we were told, pre-referendum, that if Leave won we would seek to negotiate for the whole of the UK to have continued single market access, it's ridiculous that the ERG torpedoed it down.

And I still anyone else old enough to remember Farage repeatedly banging on about us getting a Norway type deal? Strange that he seems to be all for No Deal now. It's almost as if he's entirely self serving. Nice earner for him though.

I just want decent, intelligent and compassionate leaders whatever the party - got to the point of being sick to death of party politics now.

I have read Rory Stewart's books and watched his excellent Borderland tv programme a while back about the historical connections between the north of England and the Scottish lowlands. He seems all of those things besides being a diplomat so should be able to negotiate properly. He's also Scottish which might help give Scotland a proper seat at the table - I really dont want them to leave the UK.

It's just a whole sorry mess.

Genuine question.

Why would the EU now negotiate a different deal with anyone?

If Boris is Tory leader his arse won’t touch the front bench before Jeremy proposes a no confidence vote and it would sail through

Give Boris centre stage and be will wipe the floor with Corbyn even May could. Boris is an excellent speaker, not so hot on debating but he knows how to engage and attract support from voters

Then thank fuck we might be rid of Corbyn and Momentum with him take back some centre voters and get labour back in power

If that was asked of me Desolate - I wasn't really thinking of the EU more just intelligent diplomacy generally to try and get people onside and the country back together. If it's possible

As a Tory I can say that Boris will definitely be the next PM. There is no one else that the members are talking about, he is a shoe in to win.

Doesn't matter of the memnerahip are talking about Johnson for leader, if he doesn't make the final 2 whittled doqn by MPs he won't be on the ballot and he's not popular with his colleagues. The Tories can talk abot Johnson, Raab, the putrid remains of Thatcher or Larry the cat for leader, if their name isn't one of two on the ballot, they won't be leader. End of.

Give Boris centre stage and be will wipe the floor with Corbyn even May could.

Have you actually seen him at the dispatch box? Johnson is a bumbling and lazy oaf. He can and does shoot himself in the foot so many times and looks totally out of his depth.. Outside of the wholly unrepresnetative members and die hard supporters of the tory party he's an unpopular and devisive figure.

No one is lazier than Corbyn wtf does he do a part from repeat we should hold another election

Yes I have seen Boris the bumbling is an act that went on the referendum campaign but it’s endearing to many so he switches it on. He was given the last speech on the BBC referendum debates that was the last speech that many thousands of people would have heard and he nailed it - the BBC certainly shot themselves in the foot. Do you really think leave would have won without Boris

It’s foolish to underestimate his appeal a right wing Tory being voted in as mayor of London not once but twice - a city that is has a large majority of Labour voters

One good thing to come of this is Jeremy will will go sooner

The DUP has already ditched the Tories

I bet The Tories are gutted - Not! 😏 The Tories have no Chance at the next General Election. They have no need for the DUP any longer. They only needed them in the first place to make up a party. Labour would have needed a party with more seats if they had come out with a majority- which they didn't. Thank Fuck!

And it doesn’t matter is he is unpopular with fellow Tory MP’s push comes they will support whoever to stay in power that’s the Tory way that’s why they are the most successful political party

@EnthusiasmIsDisturbed Yes, definitely, Labour is misogynistic. As well as the Tories. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

40% of the country voted Labour at the last election. You think they’re all violent anti semites and that the Conservatives can win without any of them switching? @walkingdeadfangirl this is precisely the kind of piss poor analysis of the situation which is driving both major parties, and the country, off a cliff.

Labour have yet to have a women to lead the party

They had Margaret Beckett as caretaker leader at one point.

Harriet Hartman was caretaker leader too. Still never actually elected a woman leader though.

What about Andrea Leadsome? Yes she's firmly "leave" but from the bit I've read about her, it seems like she might just have a clue about how to proceed after we've actually left.

Nothing I have seen from Leadsome has given me the impression that she has the faintest idea what she is talking about. She seems a complete lightweight.

Rory Stewart comes across as intelligent and moderate, which immediately rules him out of having any hope of winning the membership vote. I can see him maybe becoming a leader a few years in the future?

Jeremy Hunt - surely everyone despises him over what he did to the NHS?

Dominic Raab - seemed very uncomfortable with the public role of Brexit secretary so don't see him faring well as PM. Also didn't know that most of our trade comes via Dover. Who knew someone educated to lawyer level could be so thick?

Matt Hancock - wheeled out as spokesperson every time the Tories have something unpopular to discuss so he's obviously game for a challenge but as someone mentioned upthread, doesn't seem able to string a coherent sentence together.

Bozo - so lazy that I genuinely don't think he really wants the job (see also: Jeremy Corbyn). Complete disaster as foreign secretary so I can't see how anyone would think him a good potential PM.

Penny Mordaunt - don't know enough about her.

Esther McVey - no, no, no! Worst of an absolutely terrible bunch. Genuinely mean and vindictive against the poor. I would actually prefer Bozo.

All in all, with the exception of Rory Stewart, it reads like a list of the people you'd least like to be stuck in a lift with.

I think there will be a concerted campaign among the Tory MPs to stop Boris getting down to the final two. If such a campaign fails, it'll be Boris, because the Tory rank and file love him and see nothing wrong with having a lying, racist, self-publicist, serial philanderer with all the tact and diplomacy of a rabid dog as leader.

I suspect that Gove will be the one picked to stop Boris (I also suspect that that was the case last time) and that he'll be the next leader.

Raab is only marginally less dim than David Davis, McVey too right wing for many, Leadsome too much like another May, Hunt too smarmy and Mordaunt probably insufficiently experienced. I don't think Hancock has a high enough profile to carry him beyond the first round or two and Stewart is a remainer. So imo it'll be Gove.

I can sort of see the appeal of Stewart, he has a thoughtful air about him. However, he is still and Old Etonian who did PPE at Oxford, so not so very different from the Bullingdon Boys. And anyone who has reached the higher ecehlons of the FO is a past master at charm and dissembling, so I don't trust him.

But I don't even know why I'm thinking about these people, I'm in the Nye Bevan camp when it comes to Tories.

You forgot Michael Gove