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Theresa May stepping down just announced

326 replies

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/05/2019 15:10

TM has agreed to start the process of leaving office in June. I have mixed feelings and am very worried about the future of this country. AIBU to think this is going to make the situation worse and possibly lead to no deal Brexit?

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Mummyoflittledragon · 16/05/2019 17:00

We aren’t going to revoke though. Very unlikely at least. Unless we can dream that Boris will swoop in with his rugged good looks , swish his fair locks and convince the people that he will take the EU to task and better to remain within - thus uniting the country. A girl can dream....

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Gth1234 · 16/05/2019 17:01

It sounds like she will resign after the visit of President Trump, who no doubt will rightly stick a couple of extra banderillos into her impregnable hide.

Alsohuman · 16/05/2019 17:03

If a landslide win by Nigel’s horror show is our best hope we’re fucked.

5foot5 · 16/05/2019 17:04

@BollocksToBrexit Have you seen that Bollocks To Brexit is the Lib-Dems slogan for the EU elections?

They are getting my vote anyway. Hoping that enough people will vote for pre-EU parties on 23rd May to strengthen the case for a second referendum.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 16/05/2019 17:05

Conservatives:
One man commits suicide on Jeremey Kyle and they're very concerned. 1000s die directly due to their policies, millions of children live in poverty and the poor are relying on food banks to feed themselves.. and that's all dandy.
Morally bankrupt.

SentosaCove · 16/05/2019 17:06

Glad she is going. The English people have finally dragged their eyes away form Coronation Street and Eastenders and started voting with their feet. Not a lot of moved despite our protestations and now she is going I am pleased. Now we need Corbyn out too. I know there are not a lot of hopefuls looking to replace her but we don't have to put up with them.

Nigel Farage is a trouble maker but right now we need someone upsetting these rotten barrels. We need NEW politicians, not these massively entitled career politicians. They need booting out on their arses. Even this new change party is a pile of sh!te. Anna Soubary, Chuka Ummuna - where the hell are they? They are deathly quiet. They have fallen at the first fence.

SentosaCove · 16/05/2019 17:07

P.s. said English, not British as the Scottish people don't put up with Con/Lab crap and Welsh/ N.Irish have their own things going on. Its English who keep Lab and Cons in.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/05/2019 17:12

Sentos
They needed to be named the remain party or join forces with the Lib Dem’s. Too much waffle.

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Lumene · 16/05/2019 17:12

The only good thing about Boris is that he isn't Jacob Rees-Mogg

Boris is even worse than JRM. I disagree with 99.99% of JRM’s principles, but at least he has some unlike BJ. The latter would sell his family or country for a bit of fun and attention sooner than you can say bollocks to Brexit.

Neither of them will be Tory leader anyway.

Peregrina · 16/05/2019 17:13

That's the one where we stay in but lose the current 66% rebate; lose all of the opt outs, including keeping our own currency, so we will have to join the Euro, etc etc? Or has there been a promise that we can stay as we are - I don't think so, but...

I don't think that's the case. I think things stay as they were in the short term. However, over a longer term after all that has gone on, all the agreeing to various things, as soon as the negotiators get back to London, it's oh, we will rip that up. So I think that in a few years time, assuming that we were still in, and came along wanting a special deal we would be told to get lost after all the trouble we'd caused.

SentosaCove · 16/05/2019 17:15

I don't think the publics anger is actually all about Brexit. I'm bored with it TBH and I will be changing my vote because I am just sick to death of these politicians, Brexit or no Brexit.

SentosaCove · 16/05/2019 17:20

Maybe Boris doesn't want to be PM really, he just likes the game. He is a spoilt rich kid like someone from an 18th Century novel where the man who has 10 thousand a year needs to find himself an occupation. He's all gob and no go. Look what happened after he played the "let's leave Europe" game. They won and then he pooped his pants. He didn't get involved with implementing it. He ran for the hills. Now he wants to be PM. Chances are we'll all be drawn in and then once PM he'll do bugger all because he doesn't actually have a days work in him, he's just a rich brat.

GlassOfPort · 16/05/2019 17:22

How is Nigel Farage a new politician?

He has been around forever...long enough to fight six general elections and one by-election without ever being elected as an MP Confused

averylongtimeago · 16/05/2019 17:23

Curious: and anyone else who doesn't realise this:
If article 50 (the formal announcement that started the leaving process) is rescinded then yes, we do stay in the EU under our current terms.
We keep the rebate.
We keep the opt outs- no joining the Euro if we don't want to.
We keep all the benefits of being a member of one of the largest free trade blocks in the world, plus we get a say in how it's run, and can help reform it!
How wonderful!

But no, leavers would rather have Nigel and his band of fascists.
Oh, and a fucking blue passport.

Peregrina · 16/05/2019 17:26

Look what a mess Boris Johnson made of being Foreign Secretary. One of the worst we have had. That should surely be a clue as to how well he would perform as PM.

Gigglinghysterically · 16/05/2019 17:29

Presumably the results of the May 23rd European Elections will give parliament a good idea of the mood of the country. If masses of people vote for the Brexit, Change or Liberal Democrat parties, parliament will know whether we collectively want in or out. It will give them an awakening so that they know how they should vote in respect of Theresa May's bill (although they'll probably all still vote based on their own views rather than ours in early June).

It's a shame for any Prime Minister having the job of exiting the EU so I do feel sorry for Theresa May. I think she's bloody resilient in the face of all she's had to deal with since becoming PM. However, I fundamentally disagree with her on the EU deal. I use to think she was determined and resolute, now I think she's bloody obstinate and maybe a little arrogant in thinking she's right when so many think she is wrong. It's a bloody tough job though.

I'd dread having Boris the baffoon. He seems extremely intelligent in some ways but a total idiot in others.

BollocksToBrexit · 16/05/2019 17:30

@BollocksToBrexit Have you seen that Bollocks To Brexit is the Lib-Dems slogan for the EU elections?

Does that mean that if they win I get to be Prime Minister?

Gigglinghysterically · 16/05/2019 17:31

buffoon not baffoon.Smile

CloudPop · 16/05/2019 17:31

Please no - not Boris - I don't think I could bear it

SisyphusDad · 16/05/2019 17:35

@Lumene Fair point Grin

ginghambox · 16/05/2019 17:35

plus we get a say in how it's run, and can help reform it! BULLSHIT.

But no, leavers would rather have Nigel and his band of fascists. Well done.This is the sort of crap that caused Brexit in the first place.

Walkaround · 16/05/2019 17:35

CuriousaboutSamphire - where the hell did you get the idea we lose our current carve outs if we revoke Article 50 and remain? Ever since the EU said we can revoke Article 50 unilaterally, without any input from the rest of the EU, it has been the case that we can go back to the status quo, including all our rebates, etc, etc. We won't have to renegotiate anything, we just stay as we are. It's only if we actually sign a withdrawal agreement that there's no going back without fucking ourselves over.

And what makes you think "the rest of the world" trades on WTO terms?! Nobody does that if they don't have to - they negotiate better terms if they possibly can. Why do you think £12million of taxpayers' money has been spent on a swanky Manhattan apartment to negotiate trade deals in, if the UK is so bloody delighted about the idea of trading on WTO rules?!?! Arch Brexiteers are convinced they are better at negotiating trade deals than the EU is - they do not want WTO rules. They think WTO rules are just acceptable collateral damage for the next 10-15 years (they pretended they'd have loads of deals done by now already, but that's not proven to be the case), because despite all evidence to the contrary, they think they would make good negotiators and jump to the front of every negotiating queue Grin. And the fact that the two international figures most supportive of Brexit when we had the referendum were Trump and Putin is apparently not supposed to freak us out at all, because we know how friendly they are to smaller, weaker countries Wink.

If we leave the EU, big business will be fine, although it might move its bases out of he UK if it looks like the UK is crap at running itself, as it will no longer have the advantage to them of being part of a massive trading block. Smaller businesses (which largely trade domestically and with other EU countries) might realise they cannot cope with all the new paperwork involved in dealing with their neighbours these days and go belly up before better terms are sorted out. Obviously, the City will rake in huge profits one way or the other, which is why several of the arch Brexiteers have backgrounds in, or strong connections with, the City of London (eg Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson) and offshore funds if UK plc no longer looks like a good bet - it's a win for them regardless of the extent of the losses to anyone else. They really don't care what happens to the stability of the country or people's jobs in the next few years, as that is entirely acceptable collateral damage from their point of view while they personally enrich themselves and their friends. The rest of us poor idiots will be the ones taking the risks, not them. We're the sitting ducks.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/05/2019 17:37

BollockstoBrexit
Sure you’d do as good a job as anyone around.

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Peregrina · 16/05/2019 17:40

It's a shame for any Prime Minister having the job of exiting the EU so I do feel sorry for Theresa May.

I don't feel too sorry for her. When she took over she could have said that the result was close and that she would examine the options, and then present them to the public - either by an election or by Referendum. She could have said that Cameron's promises were his alone, and not promises made by Parliament. Instead she didn't; she appeased her right wing, who will never be satisfied, and now they are baying for her blood.

We have already seen how useless Johnson is in a major office. Rees-Mogg doesn't ever hold office - sniping from the sidelines is what he does.

As for the politician Farage who pretends that he isn't - well he picked up UKIP votes, enough to cause Cameron to get rattled and cause his silly referendum, so he could still do more damage. But actually do something to benefit the country? I very much doubt it.

DarkAtEndOfTunnel · 16/05/2019 18:01

I do think that May is just a person out of time. If Brexit hadn't happened we could have done a lot worse than her. Bloody hell we could, with Boris Johnson around. That lying self-serving twit ought to be arraigned for treason for his part in Brexit.

I would favour Hammond - or Penny Mordaunt. Not that I'm a Tory, or even particularly keen on party politics but we are in a right state and need some decent players. Shame Ken Clarke never got his chance.