To dob these men into their work?

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Not a pearl clutcher in general, but am in two minds on this one...

Yesterday on the (very crammed) train home there were a group of about a dozen blokes essentially effing and blinding and cunting at top volume all the way home, just generally being very vocally laddish and objectionable. Including having a great old joke at the "jumper" who had caused the problems the line that evening.

My little cousin was with me, but I still chickened out in contronting them and as per usual did the very British thing of seething impotently instead.

They were all in their company polo shirts.

Part of me really wants to contact their company and let them know about it. Part of me thinks I'm sounding like a grumpy old women before my time.

Looking to Mumsnetters to give my head a wobble either way on this!

Again with the assumptions about construction workers.

Has anyone been on a train / plane with a hen party? Just as bad, if not worse!

However, step back, see it for what it is, a group of people getting caught up in the moment. Then get off at your stop, walk home to your family and put it behind you.

Isn't this what we used to be able to do, until the outrage generation kicked in. Film it, report it, take them donw, off with their heads!

Yes FannyWork - the thought had occurred to me too.

How old is your little cousin? A child? Were there other children present too?

Acceptability of swearing in public is all about context - who can hear you and whether they are likely to be upset. Adults only on a late-night train is one thing, children present on a day-time journey quite another.

As pp said, this behaviour becomes illegal, under the Public Order Act if it is likely to cause 'harrassment, alarm or distress' to anyone around (e.g. Nuns, children, police officers - this is what you'd be done for if you swore at one).

Unless it felt dangerous, I'd have challenged them, nicely. Just a quick 'oy, there are children present' can snap half-decent people out of this sort of thing.

Involving their company seems like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted really (and how do you know one of them wasn't the boss? They may have a laddish company culture). If you'd asked them to pipe down and they'd declined, that would be a different matter. Then filming and social media, or if unsafe, move carriage and police.

I have to say that I hate hearing loud and unnecessary swearing in public, particularly if children are within earshot. I find it really embarrassing and cringe-making. However, I don't see there is much point in reporting these men - if they are that ignorant, they are hardly likely to change their behaviour because of one complaint!

If you're concerned about them keeping their jobs, you should report. You and everyone else they come into contact with will be silently resolving to never use that company. Good way for the business to unaccountably suffer reduced profits, don't you think?

Subsequently, redundancies may follow. Quite probably including staff who weren't even involved in bringing the business into disrepute.

if you're concerned about them keeping their jobs, you should report. You and everyone else they come into contact with will be silently resolving to never use that company. Good way for the business to unaccountably suffer reduced profits, don't you think? doubtful, most people pick contractors based on price and quality, not whether they have a laugh on public transport or not.

As an employer our code states that if in uniform even out of work you have to conduct yourself in a professional manner so as an employer I would want someone to tell me about this behavior as it reflects badly on the company they are promoting by wearing the uniform.

No. Far too many self-appointed behaviour police running round looking for ways to cause other people trouble. Remember, no one likes a sneak or a tell-tale.

(Also, you have no evidence, so many firms would just go 'Oh, right... Yeah, we'll look into it' and proceed to ignore you. And quite rightly.)

Of course the OP didn't challenge them on the spot FFS- at worst they'd become aggressive and even at best they'd just take the piss out of her so what would be the point.

This sort of behaviour is deliberately subtly aggressive and intimidating and posters are being disingenuous not to acknowledge this.

If this was a teacher or police officer doing this when they're off duty, everyone would be reporting them. You can't have one rule for them and not for others. If they're making other people uncomfortable, then report away. I always report people for bad driving in work vehicles, even if they're off duty.

No. Far too many self-appointed behaviour police running round looking for ways to cause other people trouble. Remember, no one likes a sneak or a tell-tale. I used to think “morality policing” was confined to dictatorships, now I’m not so sure.

@DontTreadOnMe , I also pick businesses based on my personal experience of their employees when those employees are in clothes that identify them as being employed by that business. In this scenario, if they have such a casual disregard for other passengers in a public space and care so little about giving a good (or just neutral) impression of their employer, how do I know they are going to do a good job?

Think about whether you would want to know, if it were your organisation. I certainly would. If the boss was among them then at least he would find out that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable.

Constant loud use of the F and C words in a small space in public is disgusting. It's not just a few fucks and bloodys for god's sake. The OP said it was constant.

These people won't lose their jobs but if you stick to the facts, no vagueness, just stick to the facts and let the owner know what happened. Then it's up to him isn't it?

And everyone who says address the issue at the time, well not everyone is brave enough to approach a dozen foul mouthed men on a train. I mean, if they behave like that, their reaction might well have been aggressive.

I can't see why you wouldn't report, frankly.

Reporting them to their employer sounds rather Orwellian to me.

OK, you might not have agreed with what they were saying but they have the right to say it.

I probably wouldn’t bother but I’d have asked them to watch their language at the time if they were swearing excessively and there were children there, it’s antisocial.

I'd report.
Who wants to spend a journey having to sit and listen to that?
I find it intimidating, entitled behaviour.
They obviously know its offensive, but they don't care.

When I was at school we were told that while in school uniform we represented the school. If anyone misbehaved, people would call the school. Why is it different for adults?

If it is a small company, I think they have a right to know that their reputation has been tarnished. Swearing and shouting on a crowded train with children present is not a crime, but it is intimidating and completely inappropriate and uncomfortable for the passengers.

I think you should call OP. They won't get sacked, they'll just get a stern talking to, which might make them rethink their manners.

I would be tempted to call. I was thinking about sweating in public the other day, and wish my children weren't exposed to it, we can avoid it on TV by not watching too late yet someone strolling down the road with a t shirt printed with expletives seems unavoidable!

*You seriously want to contact their employer because they were swearing and "generally being very vocally laddish and objectionable. Including having a great old joke at the "jumper"? You wouldn't be taken seriously.

Now if you had said they had uniform on that indicated they worked in a 'care' profession e.g. nurses, care home and were mocking the residents, laughing at treating the residents badly then I would say yes. If they had logo bearing clothes on indicating they were teachers/teaching assistants and were calling the children little cunts, swearing and mocking then I would say yes.*

What a load of old bollocks, the role that you mention are mainly female role, and yet again we higher expectations of females then men.

So if they worked in a nursery you’d report them, but if they worked on a building site you wouldn’t. Why? Because we mustn’t tell on the men? Or because it easier to tell on women.

It’s either acceptable behaviour or not.

It's impossible to tell whether I would have judged them safe to challenge from reading the OP. Boistrous and caught up in the moment together - yes. Drunk or clearly intending to intimidate other passengers - no.

There are ways of speaking up. It doesn't have to be loud, or draw attention to yourself. Quiet and polite can be very effective.

doubtful, most people pick contractors based on price and quality, not whether they have a laugh on public transport or not.

FFS, no-one is saying people can't have a laugh.

Do you swear at the top of your voice infront of your Grandma and small children?

OK, you might not have agreed with what they were saying but they have the right to say it.

Actually I am not sure you do have the right to fuck and cunt excessively in a public place. That’s what’s wrong with society the these days too many people doing whatever they want without giving a hoot about the impact on others.

If it was the employees who work for me I would want to know. They were on a public train, swearing loudly and aggressively about someone who had just died, showing no respect or decency.

It isn’t the swearing that’s an issue it’s the lack of respect for somebody dying. They were in work uniform so should behave accordingly. I would report them for that, not just simply swearing.

They are going to be like that either or in work. Personally I'd rather they were in work and contributing to society. So I'd zip it.

OK, you might not have agreed with what they were saying but they have the right to say it.

They can say what they like but what we say comes with consequences, and in this case they might get a telling of or the sack, that’s their choice to say it though and they still have a right to say it