To wish Nigel Farage would fuck off to the far side of fuck

[Stripyseagulls]

He’s not a man of the people- he’s one of the elite. He’s a wealthy ex broker who wants to privatise the NHS. He has earnt a massive salary as an MEP but barely turned up. He’s a con artist who is actually pretty racist and unsavoury.

Am tired of seeing him on TV - he cares nothing for the poor of this country. I wish he would go away never to be seen again.

Aibu?

You think having another vote is undemocratic.

I think it is MORE democratic.

Watch this. Please! Especially the last 12 seconds. Now think about how the leave voters feel.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=z7qZhlrbcB8

democracy is an on-going process, it doesn't just 'stop' where you chose, and it doesn't include deliberate lies and cheating.

^This!

I do understand what you are saying. You think voting again would be 'undemocratic'.

I don't. How can it be undemocratic to vote again without the lying/the cheating/the illegal funding? Why is undemocratic to ask the people what they want now?

You said you are now voting for the Brexit party: What are you most looking forward to after brexit?

What are your expectations of the benefits of Brexit for you and your family?

Maybe there should be a vote on whether to have another vote?! 🤷🏻‍♀️

That's democracy. - You used that line. Why not?

I think there is always a bit of lying and cheating as far as politics goes. The main one being: "leave means leave" atm.

It's all very well claiming the leavers made false claims. They didn't. It is true that if we left, the net amount we pay to the EU would be available for other uses.

The remainers used government money to make clearly false claims, and they continue to make false claims. They lied about the projected downturn in the UK economy. They lie about medicine and food not being available.

I did indeed! I wouldn't be totally opposed to that idea to be honest.

But if people voted to not to have the choice to have another vote, would the remainers accept it then?

@lalablab

thanks for that. What a laugh.

We can't just keep calling more referendums until we get the result we want. That's not what democracy is about.

Meanwhile Tory Brexiteers want to change the 1922 committee rules because they didn’t get the result they wanted last December. Oh the irony.

The majority of people voted to leave, so we should leave. That’s democracy!

37% of the electorate voted for an undefined option in an advisory referendum nearly 3 years ago.

Now that option has been defined, why would it be undemocratic to go back to the people to check that this is what they want?

Cant wait for Brexit! Hurrah! We're going to er, actually Brexiters, what is it we're so looking forward to? Oh, I'd forgotten, we're looking forward to going straight to WTO rules so we won't be under the thumb of unelected eurocrats. Of course. So we're going to have great fun voting for WTO representatives? Hurrah for democracy.

I can't speak for all of them, but yeah. Why not?

What are you looking forward to most post-Brexit?

It's all very well claiming the leavers made false claims. They didn't.

Yeah they did. Demonstrably so.

The official Leave leaflet specifically said the UK would leave with a deal.

The £350 million figure that was constantly quoted that the ONS specifically said was untrue.

@Medievalist sorry I wasn't clear. I didn't mean you would vote BP. I meant that the usually Labour voting friends of mine aren't voting at all, giving the Brexit party a bigger advantage.

The referendum was advisory, so in fact the government 'ignoring' the people's vote is actually not that controversial as that is what advisory means: the government had the right to take it or leave it.

I'd agree if that had been made clear in the government propaganda that they might not take any notice if we didn't vote the right way - but the government produced leaflet instructing us all to vote remain also said "The Government will implement what you decide."

it is true the referendum was legally advisory but before the referendum both official leave and remain groups promised to implement it, and afterwards both labour and conservative parties endorsed this decision; at the general election following both parties promised to enact the decision in their manifestos.
at no point was it indicated or even tinted at that this was to gauge public opinion and that parliament would ultimately decide whether we left with a deal or without a deal or that that would even consider not leaving at all

"at the general election following both parties promised to enact the decision in their manifestos."

And neither of those parties got a majority...

...and the only specifically pro-Remain party did much worse.

@DorisDaysDadsDogsDead

What about the leaflet?

@doris but between them these parties had an overwhelming % of the house but some of their MP's are not abiding by the manifesto promises

only 3 parties campaigned on not leaving the EU, SNP, the Lib dems and the Greens they do not have 100 MP's between them

to be honest it doesn't matter whether you voted leave or remain all of the public have been let down by the politicians who just can't put public interest first but play party political games I personally only think about 25 out of the 600 + MP's have any integrity whatsoever, they don't all belong to the same party and non of the 25 are party leaders either

NRTFT as I don't have time, but just wanted to say you are not being unreasonable. This man is definitely high up on the narcissism scale and is in politics for his own self-interest. I just don't get why people have faith in this man, he dips in and out of politics and comes across as very opportunistic.

People forget this guy has a background in banking! Unfortunately this man has taken advantage of a Tory government making ridiculous cuts and has used the discontent from this to his own ends. He has fuelled the idea that immigration is to blame for housing shortages, long NHS waiting lists and poor social mobility, when it is Tory cuts that are to blame for this. Unfortunately, when you have a shit government ruining the country, it leaves the door open for chancers like this man to play to people's fears and exploit it.

Never trust a man who thinks he can pull off a double breasted pin-stripe jacket without looking like a twat.

FWIW I think the problem is how we see our MP's, and how they see themselves. Are they delegates to follow their constituencies' views on Brexit, or do we give them a mandate to deal with the issue of Brexit as they see fit?
I think there a lot of principled MP's who see themselves as the latter, but their constituencies see them as the former. This is the 1st time that a referendum has gone against the wishes of parliament, and it has shown how a referendum just doesn't fit with a system of elected MP's.
What worries me is the next General Election. Labour will lose the North, IMO, and a more populist party will emerge to take their place. And, TBH, I don't blame the electorate. We were asked for our opinion at the Referendum and to have my elected MP blithely ignoring that, no matter how well-meaning they are, would piss me off and make me very unlikely to vote for them and their party again.
MP's like Stella Creasey must be very aware that they won't be holding their seat for long.

As Gone2far says, our MPs are a useless bunch of self serving idiots not delegates, but are elected to do what they perceive is in the best interests of their constituents.

Most have enough awareness to see that any Brexit, but particularly a "no deal" Brexit, would catastrophically injure the country, and their constituencies, and so even the cowardly ones who are trying to implement it, cannot agree on what is the least damaging form.

Basically, you were sold unicorns and everlasting cake, and you still haven't grown up enough to realise that that is entirely impossible in real life...

Well, I do think mp's do their best, but perhaps should have thought twice about holding a Referendum, passing Article 50, and standing at a GE with a mandate to get Brexit through. Paraphrasing Oscar Wilde, it's OK to screw up once, but 3 times isn't good.
I think the appeal of a figure like Farage is perfectly understandable, even though I wouldn't vote for him.
But do carry on with the 5 minutes hate for people who are stupid/immature enough not to agree with you.