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To wish Nigel Farage would fuck off to the far side of fuck

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Stripyseagulls · 13/05/2019 21:45

He’s not a man of the people- he’s one of the elite. He’s a wealthy ex broker who wants to privatise the NHS. He has earnt a massive salary as an MEP but barely turned up. He’s a con artist who is actually pretty racist and unsavoury.

Am tired of seeing him on TV - he cares nothing for the poor of this country. I wish he would go away never to be seen again.

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lablablab · 16/05/2019 10:54

I don't like Nigel Farage but the alternatives are not much better.

But I'll be voting for the Brexit party next Thursday (despite voting to remain in the EU) because I'm so disgusted with how this government has handled Brexit and the utter contempt shown for leave voters, especially the elderly. It's patronising and goes completely against what democracy is all about.

I hope the Brexit party wins as it will be a demonstration of how the last vote was actually correct and that's what the majority (albeit a small majority but still a majority) of people in this country want.

We need to stop moaning and stalling and faffing and just get on with it.

Nesssie · 16/05/2019 10:54

Most of my friends are Labour, but most won't be voting for them because they don't know where Labour stands on this
^This.

I voted Brexit Party because I still want Brexit. I don't particularly like Farage but Labour has not really given me much choice.
Also, I'm 24 so nowhere near retirement age...

Medievalist · 16/05/2019 11:08

I hope the Brexit party wins as it will be a demonstration of how the last vote was actually correct and that's what the majority (albeit a small majority but still a majority) of people in this country want.

Totally agree it was what the country voted for 3 years ago. And in democratic terms I agree it should have been implemented. But you CANNOT know that it's what the country still wants.

When we have General Elections everyone understands that the country may no longer support the party/policies it voted for 3/4 years ago. Why is it so hard to accept therefore that the country may, after 3 years, have changed its mind on Brexit? And if you're so certain it hasn't, why are you afraid of a second vote? Confused

Nesssie · 16/05/2019 11:14

Medievalist - Because Brexit was never even given a chance. We've had 3 years of fighting and delays.
If we had withdrawn from the EU, like we had voted, and then 3 years later had another vote and decided to rejoin (hypothetically of course) then fine. I would accept that.

But the Brexit we voted for has not even happened yet.

lablablab · 16/05/2019 11:16

@Medievalist I'm not afraid of a second vote. I'm not actually sure what I'd vote for this time but I think it'd a landslide leave vote!

But there was a valid and legal vote and that should still be delivered. There is no time limit on it, it's not a coupon. We can't just keep calling more referendums until we get the result we want. That's not what democracy is about.

And I'm not sure how legal that would be. And what if remain win, would you accept leave then calling for a third referendum because they don't like the result? Feels like very dodgy ground for me and I can't get on board with dodgy democracy.

Helmetbymidnight · 16/05/2019 11:24

Do you think the fact that the Leave campaign cheated/overspent/collated information illegally and lied - eg. other countries would be queuing up for the easiest trade deals/ eg. Turkey will be joining without our consent - is good democracy?

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 16/05/2019 11:25

"But there was a valid and legal vote"

This has been proved demonstrably false.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 16/05/2019 11:28

That’s 3 years of delays because the people who campaigned for Brexit slivered off after the Leave vote and have taken no responsibility, leaving a parliament, who is mostly against leaving, to negotiate the terms. I don’t like Brexit, I don’t want it, and tbh it makes me fucking miserable to see the direction my country is going in, however if we must leave I’d rather they take their time doing it and get it right, instead of cutting ties, flouncing off and singing Rule Britannia without thought for the immediate and long term consequences. I’m fed up of Tory Brexiters hassling May to resign everyday, surely everyone else can see this is transparent opportunists with their eye on the prize hoping to parachute in at take all the glory. That would only cause more disruption. After years of voting Labour I’ll be voting Lib Dem, to send my own little protest vote which no one will listen to because it doesn’t get the same media attention as the fog whistle far right, but hey, what the hell.

badlydrawnperson · 16/05/2019 11:29

Do you think the fact that the Leave campaign cheated/overspent/collated information illegally and lied - eg. other countries would be queuing up for the easiest trade deals/ eg. Turkey will be joining without our consent - is good democracy?

No that was shit. So were the lies told by the Remain side and the fact they were able to spend far more than leave, and that doesn't include the government propaganda.

It's all been a shitshow from start to (not) finish.

And Farage can fuck off too.

lalablab · 16/05/2019 11:29

God no! But bad campaigns are not comparable to a government ignoring a people's vote.

If another country had a similar vote and the prime minister did not carry out the majority vote, we'd think that was terrible. Not sure why it's acceptable in this county.

lalablab · 16/05/2019 11:31

Quite a bit of scaremongering on the remain side too. And a great deal more intimidation.

Nesssie · 16/05/2019 11:31

But bad campaigns are not comparable to a government ignoring a people's vote.
^ This.

badlydrawnperson · 16/05/2019 11:31

if another country had a similar vote and the prime minister did not carry out the majority vote, we'd think that was terrible. Not sure why it's acceptable in this county.

Gina Miller stopped that (not saying she was wrong or right).

Helmetbymidnight · 16/05/2019 11:35

So you accept that it was only an advisory referendum, that the leave campaign illegally over-spent, there are funding questions/collating FB, that they lied completely with horror stories about Turks, and also saying how easy it would be - but you insist that it is more democratic to stick to the result of the vote than to hold a new vote.

I don't get that.

Helmetbymidnight · 16/05/2019 11:37

I mean I do understand people not wanting another vote, but to not want another vote because 'democracy' seems to me an understanding of democracy I've never every heard before.

ScreamingLadySutch · 16/05/2019 11:42

This is an interesting analysis of the campaign leaflets by a young Iranian:

pigsDOfly · 16/05/2019 11:45

The referendum was advisory, so in fact the government 'ignoring' the people's vote is actually not that controversial as that is what advisory means: the government had the right to take it or leave it.

They chose to go with the results and leave, and what a absolute cock up the whole thing has been.

I'll be voting for the Greens on 23rd because, although I would never in a million years vote for the Greens in any other type of election, they are currently the only remain party with any sort of profile.

And for those of an ageist bent, I'm a 70 year old pensioner who voted remain in the referendum and I wouldn't spit on Farage if he were on fire; he's a loathsome little toad.

The only people I know personally who voted UKIP are in their 30s and 40s.

lalablab · 16/05/2019 11:47

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the campaigns, there was a vote to leave the EU and people voted to leave and yet we are still in it. That's pretty shocking to me.

I understand the reasonings behind wanting another referendum, but I think it would further damage the trust in the political system, and undermine and devalue the whole voting process. It's a huge risk. Especially for something that might draw the same result.

Helmetbymidnight · 16/05/2019 11:54

So you accept that another vote would be entirely democratic but you fear that other people wouldn't, is that right?

What are you guys most looking forward to after brexit? What are your expectations of the benefits for you and your families?

lalablab · 16/05/2019 12:02

I voted remain @Helmetbymidnight

I understand the reasons why other remainers might a second vote but that doesn't mean I agree with it.

The majority of people voted to leave, so we should leave. That's democracy!

Helmetbymidnight · 16/05/2019 12:07

No, democracy is an on-going process, it doesn't just 'stop' where you chose, and it doesn't include deliberate lies and cheating.

You can argue we should leave, but 'that's democracy' just doesn't cut it.

Another vote would be 'democratic'.

lalablab · 16/05/2019 12:10

But you can't keep calling votes until you get the result you want?! Would you be calling for a second vote if the original result was remain??

Helmetbymidnight · 16/05/2019 12:11

I wouldn't but Nigel Farage would, wouldn't he. In fact, he is on record saying he would.

Why not, ~that's democracy, no?

lalablab · 16/05/2019 12:13

No, that's literally the opposite of what I'm saying! Confused

Gth1234 · 16/05/2019 12:15

"Social Democrat" people are the worst sort of democrats aren't they? They don't really believe in democracy at all.

It's more like an Orthocracy. I came up with that word, (Orthocracy - Government by the Right-On) and just searched for it. but others have clearly done so also.

orthocracy.wordpress.com/